the reason, backpage was shut down is that the gvt couldn't get a cut. and like all activities that are morally, grey. once the gvt stops getting their cut, they will scoop in. it's just the same, way the mafia is allowed to operate unions etc and once they ruffle feathers and stop contributing to politicians then all of a sudden the mafia is running a racket. Yet the gvt runs the biggest racket, protection scheme. so yeah, now all the SW are back on the streets or in the hands of pimps. Also the backpage era, due to supply and demand markets efficiencies, seems SW had become a safe sustainable, decent livelihood for many.
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#22You mean exactly how sex workers said it would, but nobody listened to them, because it was never actually about protecting sex workers or victims of sex trafficking?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sex-workers-bill-fosta-sesta_...
https://medium.com/voices/while-america-gawks-at-stormy-dani...
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#23Where prostitution has been completely legalized there’s been a huge increase in demand, and the market has responded not with an increase in wages for sex workers but with an increase in slavery. In practice the least-bad policy seems to be legal/decriminalized to sell but illegal to buy.
Why should it be illegal for customers to pay for prostitution? Why do you feel prostitutes are entitled to above-market wages?
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#24What is sad is that there are a lot of real-size social experiments in various countries that have a variety of legislation and situation and a ton of literature to guide policy there. I have (like everybody) some opinions on how sex should work and what limits paid sex should have. I'll just say that: My preferences are totally irrelevant and should be dismissed if they have any chance of increasing human traffickin…
Then put everyone under 24 hour surveillance. That is the only logical choice given your goals. If you allow someone any amount of freedom, you can't be sure they won't used it this try and enslave someone else.
That's clearly not what the comment you're replying to was saying.
It was saying, I might have my moral opinions in a vacuum about whether prostitution is good or bad, but the moral principle of trafficking being bad overrides that, and we should follow what the evidence says. If the evidence says that decriminalizing sex work reduces trafficking, then a moral opinion against sex work doesn't outweigh the evidence.
It was clearly not about higher moral principle of fundamental liberty.
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#25the reason, backpage was shut down is that the gvt couldn't get a cut. and like all activities that are morally, grey. once the gvt stops getting their cut, they will scoop in. it's just the same, way the mafia is allowed to operate unions etc and once they ruffle feathers and stop contributing to politicians then all of a sudden the mafia is running a racket. Yet the gvt runs the biggest racket, protection scheme. s…
Software has been a safe sustainable, decent livelihood for me at least
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#26Where prostitution has been completely legalized there’s been a huge increase in demand, and the market has responded not with an increase in wages for sex workers but with an increase in slavery. In practice the least-bad policy seems to be legal/decriminalized to sell but illegal to buy.
Why should it be illegal for customers to pay for prostitution? Why do you feel prostitutes are entitled to above-market wages?
Their contention is that legal sex work creates a market that incentivises sex trafficking, in which case it should be illegal to protect women from being victimized.
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#27There is a debate as to whether or not legalizing prostitution exacerbates sex slavery by creating a market for prostitution that willing market participants are unable to fill. This author[1] points out that studies on this question use the term "sex trafficking" which can mean either illegal immigration of willing sex workers or sex slavery. That distinction seems important, but is often not clarified by investigat…
This is a big simplification: There are male sex workers and female sex worker customers even if most of each population is the other way around. Additionally, voluntary sex workers themselves generally oppose the forced labour market (i.e. sex slavery) as much as the prohibitionists, even if they're understandably focusing more on decriminalizing themselves.
And I don't think the sex-worker-exclusionary feminists are representative of most feminists, even if the overlap between their views on this topic and those of conservative and religious groups gives them a big megaphone.
Regarding legal presence, many sex workers are in a country legally aside from their choice to do sex work, sometimes even with work permission for most jobs. (Canada has some relevant exclusions in their standard open work permit, for example.)
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#28There is a debate as to whether or not legalizing prostitution exacerbates sex slavery by creating a market for prostitution that willing market participants are unable to fill. This author[1] points out that studies on this question use the term "sex trafficking" which can mean either illegal immigration of willing sex workers or sex slavery. That distinction seems important, but is often not clarified by investigat…
Women use sex workers too.
Men “lose” too if their partners are “tempted” by legal prostitution (what are we “losing” here by the way?)
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#29There is a debate as to whether or not legalizing prostitution exacerbates sex slavery by creating a market for prostitution that willing market participants are unable to fill. This author[1] points out that studies on this question use the term "sex trafficking" which can mean either illegal immigration of willing sex workers or sex slavery. That distinction seems important, but is often not clarified by investigat…
> AGAINST: Women. Women stand to lose if their partners are tempted by legal prostitution.
If someone's partner is gonna be tempted away simply by legal prostitution, maybe they aren't the most faithful to begin with.
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#30You mean exactly how sex workers said it would, but nobody listened to them, because it was never actually about protecting sex workers or victims of sex trafficking? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sex-workers-bill-fosta-sesta_... https://medium.com/voices/while-america-gawks-at-stormy-dani...
It was so infuriating to watch Democrats willingly get played by the religious right into supporting something that was so blatantly designed to legislate morality rather than actually help victims of trafficking. Glad that elected officials are now rethinking it, at least.