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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by cmonnow »

smt1 wrote: post #75
yumraj wrote: post #62

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Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

> Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations. That's a gross generalization. See for example, the Ahmadis in Pakistan. Or more generally, the whole Sunni vs Shia split. India is supposed to be a secular country. Anyways, most of the recent rukkus is in Assam and northeastern India. Most of the people fleeing Bangladesh aren't doing so because of religious persecution; that country doesn't have nearly as…

Sectarian persecution is different from religious persecution.

For example

CAA does not differentiate within Hindu castes saying 'Only Dalits are oppressed, Brahmins are not oppressed, so we won't give citizenship to Brahmins'. It speeds up process for all Hindus.

CAA do not differentiate within Christian sects saying 'Only Protestants are persecuted, Catholics are not persecuted, so we won't give citizenship to Catholics'. It speeds up process for all Christians.

Similarly, CAA does not differentiate within Muslims saying 'Only Shias are persecuted, Sunnis are not persecuted, so we will give citizenship to Shias'. It keeps speed same for all Muslims.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by cmonnow »

known wrote: post #276

If you believe in Secular India protest/oppose CAA/CAB/NRC; Why? Illegal immigrants are granted Indian Citizenship; But Legal immigrants from Muslim community are denied Indian Citizenship; http://archive.vn/lhvHH

There is a difference between positive discrimination (affirmative action) and negative discrimination (ill-treatment)

If you are new to this issue, and want to understand the CAA/CAB in simple words - https://old.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/e9qhvb/cab_in_...

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by cmonnow »

psankar wrote: post #104
yumraj wrote: post #58

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Secular should never have been there anyway. India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.

What absolute non-sense! There is no such religion called Hinduism. An average Hindu Punjabi has more in common with an average Muslim Pakistani (Language, Food, Music, etc.) than a Hindu Tamilian. But the Punjabi/Rajasthani and Tamilian or both clubbed into a single Hindu religion. A Tamilian sacrifices Goat to his God. But this is not accepted by the Brahminic Hinduism as a way of worship in their temples. But all…

> There is no such religion called Hinduism

This is a common new-age trout. Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world, with an extensive set of scriptures, rituals, rules, and culture.

It's like a banyan tree with many roots. Just because it doesn't enforce a particular branch (sect) with the rigor that other religions do, it doesn't mean the tree doesn't exist. It exists old and strong.

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Post by thewhitetulip »

cmonnow wrote: post #300
thewhitetulip wrote: post #153

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I wonder why such a misleading comment has become a top comment. > Why segregation based on religion? Because of persecution of minorities in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan. Well, we have documented evidence of Shri Lankan Hindu Tamils being prosecuted in Shri Lanka. Why are those Hindus not included? Also if you read this link below, Shia Muslims have been ruled non Muslims. So they r not Muslims acc to Pakistan…

Religious persecution must be done on State-sanctioned grounds (like an official religion or a theocratic state based on Constitution). Any other persecution could just be a particular party's policies e.g. Tomorrow a Buddhist party could come to power in Bangladesh and persecute, say Jews. That does not have Constitutional sanction. Next week a different party might persecute a different religion. > Sri Lankan Hindu…

cAB is the first time that a party has selectively handed out citizenship to win Bengal elections and to keep only Muslims out of the NRC. During Assam NRC, Hindus and Muslims both were kept out, so they brought a loophole before the nationwide NRC so that they can hand out citizenship to non Muslims.

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Post by goombastic »

cmonnow wrote: post #296

There are few misconceptions about the recently enacted CAA, that need to be clarified. Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh. It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees. Here is the reddit thread explaining the…

Again, the above view is the government line and is meant to misguide and create ambiguity. Read the CAA in combination with the NRC to understand how it is similar to the Nuremberg laws.

This thread has a lot of government propaganda shills.

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Post by askertask »

cmonnow wrote: post #296

There are few misconceptions about the recently enacted CAA, that need to be clarified. Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh. It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees. Here is the reddit thread explaining the…

This is flat out wrong.

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Post by dang »

quantummkv wrote: post #237
iicc wrote: post #221

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> >Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution." Yeah. They have the right to seek. And India has the right to reject. > Get some humanity. Oh I have humanity, you know. But my humanity gives first preference to my own country's citizens. Unfortunately, India's resources are already strained by it's own lar…

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Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by dang »

quantummkv wrote: post #89

> For a government which has attained a historical majority for the second time, just imagine the impact they can have if they focussed this energy on improving economic and human-life indicators instead. The government in its election pitch made this one of the major points that they would execute if they came to power. So please don't be under the assumption that the people that voted don't want this to be implemen…

We detached this flamewar from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21822056.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by dang »

vijaybritto wrote: post #176
nilsocket wrote: post #134

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Your statement goes completely against Indian election results. Re-electing somebody with such a huge majority clearly states, people of India are happy with present government. Don't put up your propaganda as voice Indians. Being an Indian, I'm very happy with BJP, and I'm not Hindu.

We know you are a Hindu, you are a brahmin and you support BJP. Please don't try the IT Cell tactics here. This election was through EVMs not through people

Political, nationalistic, and religious flamewar will get you banned on this site. Please don't post in this way in the future.

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