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Ask YC: Voting and Karma (Call to action)

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Re: Ask YC: Voting and Karma (Call to action)

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I almost never downvote. The only time I downvote is if something is extremely inappropriate, negative, trolling, or is degrading (IMO) to the quality of this community. I never downvote when I disagree. If I disagree, I reply with my disagreement. I wish others would too. Not much to learn from downvotes. Lots to learn from discussion and healthy debate. I upvote often, to anything that I think adds value.

I often hear people advocate a policy of only downvoting offensive or trolling comments on news.YC. I think it's a bad idea. My goal in voting is always to improve the experience for the next reader. That means that I vote up what I think is the most interesting or important information, and vote down distractions and annoyances of all kinds: not just trolling, but also poorly thought out arguments, boring observatio…

The problem with your approach is you are judging what is valuable for the next reader. Your judgment might be good most of the time but it does not imply an all-round more efficient system. I'm sure digg and reddit were conceived in this spirit. And when you have a large number of people thinking like this, you automatically adjust the majority of stories to the majority view.

This is quite a debatable flaw in your argument. Worth a downmod? Hardly. I am pointing out the obvious to some (or many), but to others, and those who share your viewpoint, this might be a blind spot, or simply preposterous.

I think a community like this (HN, that is) is better off just getting into the habit of good discussion, such that it becomes implicit in the culture (which kind of is already). Just make sure the SNR is naturally high. That's quite a feat.

Re: Ask YC: Voting and Karma (Call to action)

#52
post #3

I almost never downvote. The only time I downvote is if something is extremely inappropriate, negative, trolling, or is degrading (IMO) to the quality of this community. I never downvote when I disagree. If I disagree, I reply with my disagreement. I wish others would too. Not much to learn from downvotes. Lots to learn from discussion and healthy debate. I upvote often, to anything that I think adds value.

I downvote for factual errors (such as 'Symbian is open source') because a high vote count implies that the comment is correct.

That would be a very unfortunate loss of information. A better scenario is if you reply with the correct statement, and try to make it upmodded more than its parent.

If you sink the incorrect comment that previously had a high score, those who walked away with the misinformation have a higher chance of having their misconceptions persist.

Re: Ask YC: Voting and Karma (Call to action)

#53
post #32
post #30

How do you down vote?

You need to reach a threshold of karma. Once you do, you'll see a down arrow on comments. You should read the FAQ here: http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

That is an excellent requirement. No wonder this place is a lot better than digg.

Re: Ask YC: Voting and Karma (Call to action)

#54
I upvote to say "this is worth reading". I downvote to say "this is not worth reading".

"Worth reading" means "worth reading and appropriate to Hacker News". No doubt what I, or anyone, considers worth reading has some correlation with agreeing, but not 100%.

Re: Ask YC: Voting and Karma (Call to action)

#55
post #2

In your opinion what is the purpose for the upvote and downvote? Upvote = "I'd like to see more comments like this". Downvote = "I'd like to see fewer comments like this". I don't think that people having different reasons for wanting more or less of a particular type of comment is a problem.

Modified: Upvote = "I'd like to see more comments like this" || "I agree with this". Downvote = "I'd like to see fewer comments like this".

Actually:

Upvote = "I'd like to see more comments like this" || "I agree with this".

Downvote = "I'd like to see fewer comments like this" || "I disagree with this".

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