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Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by userbinator »

drdeadringer wrote: post #51
JimboOmega wrote: post #35

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Those who use heavily in Adolescence can lose something like 6 or 8 IQ points, among other negative effects. Those who start as adults and stop don't seem to have the same effects[1], but it is unclear how much that reflects lower baseline IQ of users vs. the impact of marijuana itself. [1] https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/mari...

I would like some perspective on what a 6-8 IQ point difference actually means in real life. I know IQ is on a curve so if I'm on the lower end and dope up I might not qualify for the military against had I not doped up by such a margin window. For an average person, what can the person sitting next to me do +8 IQ that I can't? What can the person sitting in front of me not do at -8 IQ that I can? Granted I've encoun…

100 is defined as an "average" IQ, yet I suspect everyone on this site is quite a bit above that, likely in the 110-120 range and skewed heavily upwards, and have not actually interacted constantly on a long term with someone who has a ~100 IQ, much less a ~92 IQ.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by [deleted] »

ars wrote: post #16

Unlike other drugs (smoking, drinking) adults (at least the noisy ones online) very much want marijuana. And because of that they are very poorly motivated to stop its use among teens. So this isn't going to get better, it'll get much worse. Adults also believe marijuana use is perfectly fine, and risk free, which may or may not be true for adults, but is not true for teens. But because they believe it's risk free th…

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Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by dls2016 »

whalesalad wrote: post #5

The thing that sucks here is the health issues have nothing inherently to do with THC and everything to do with vaping a black market product that has shitty ingredients in it. I live in CA where it is becoming more and more regulated. I have a 'church' down the street where I can buy stuff at a steeeep discount (no tax, lower prices)... but I go to the regulated places the next town over (higher taxes, higher prices…

> the health issues have nothing inherently to do with THC

Daily smoker here and I think I'd disagree slightly. We've been hearing for decades that "today's weed" is stronger than the 60's or whatever. But my understanding is that modern extraction techniques made this something of a reality now that oil is so widespread; I've been continually shocked to discover the number of people I meet who own vape pens. Most of them use it responsibly, but the stories this summer described people who vaped hash oil all day long. Even if the cartridges weren't tainted, my guess is that this is qualitatively different than smoking flower all day long.

Still not even same ballpark as the opiate explosion after I graduated high school.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by catalogia »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #23

>Vaping of marijuana was at the root of a public health crisis that unfolded this summer The fact that it takes the author two more paragraphs to elucidate that the illness was in fact linked to bootleg, vitamin E-containing cartridges is disappointing, but not surprisingly. That fact seems really material to the argument.

I'm not so sure it's just the bootleg products. Last time I went into a weed store, they had a big pamphlet with a list of recently recalled products and all were oils/concentrates. These are ostensibly legal products that were being sold in a properly licensed/regulated retail store.

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Post by MS90 »

omarchowdhury wrote: post #47
rriepe wrote: post #27

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If you smoke heavily and quit, your endocannabinoid system underperforms by about 20% for two or three weeks. It basically dulls pleasure in everything, producing anhedonia, depressed appetite and irritability. It impacts sleep negatively too.

How long does it take for full recovery?

Each time I've quit for an extended period of time it's taken me about three weeks to feel normal. During those weeks I definitely feel more grumpy and irritable. I'm also curious as to whether THC or other chemicals in the smoke have any effect on the body's thermoregulation, because each time I've quit I've also woken up drenched in sweat every night for about the first week or so. Crazy dreams as well.

These have all been me going cold turkey after heavy daily use for extended periods of time.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by simonsarris »

kalessin wrote: post #12
whalesalad wrote: post #5

The thing that sucks here is the health issues have nothing inherently to do with THC and everything to do with vaping a black market product that has shitty ingredients in it. I live in CA where it is becoming more and more regulated. I have a 'church' down the street where I can buy stuff at a steeeep discount (no tax, lower prices)... but I go to the regulated places the next town over (higher taxes, higher prices…

I am not a doctor but from what I have been reading, consuming THC on a regular basis before 21 (the commonly accepted age for the latest stage of brain development) is definitely a bad idea, as it will prevent the endocannabinoid system to develop correctly. I would not dismiss teen smoking/vaping as a public health concern, it's not just about counterfeiting, I think we need better education about the risks and ben…

Agree. Here's one:

http://m.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full (2012)

"Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife"

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Post by shitpostbot »

vorpalhex wrote: post #36
trophycase wrote: post #30

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Most of the democratic party is conservative.

Your personal Overton window is likely extremely liberal/progressive and outside the mainstream.

Your personal Overton window is likely extremely conservative/regressive and outside the mainstream.

Considering how far to the right US politics are from most of the developed world.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by thaumasiotes »

userbinator wrote: post #91
drdeadringer wrote: post #51

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I would like some perspective on what a 6-8 IQ point difference actually means in real life. I know IQ is on a curve so if I'm on the lower end and dope up I might not qualify for the military against had I not doped up by such a margin window. For an average person, what can the person sitting next to me do +8 IQ that I can't? What can the person sitting in front of me not do at -8 IQ that I can? Granted I've encoun…

100 is defined as an "average" IQ, yet I suspect everyone on this site is quite a bit above that, likely in the 110-120 range and skewed heavily upwards, and have not actually interacted constantly on a long term with someone who has a ~100 IQ, much less a ~92 IQ.

Fun fact: Ivy League students who attended public high schools hold sharply lower opinions of what "average people" are able to do than do students who attended private high schools.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by catalogia »

mnm1 wrote: post #82
throwaway07Ju19 wrote: post #44

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"Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars" is objectively not great news. Subjectively it might be great news if the vaping THC dose was low, but it is not. There is no technology that makes alcohol 100X stronger for todays teen than what it has been historically. But that's not true for THC products. On a personal note, I lost my hearing in one ear immediately after trying a strong MJ product. I just assumed it was congestion at…

You can inhale alcohol vapors. That's way more than 100% stronger. The tech exists. People might not use it cause they don't want to die. That's different. Your conclusion about losing your hearing from TCH is just fucking bullshit. Prove it.

> You can inhale alcohol vapors. That's way more than 100% stronger.

That party trick is a placebo at best. You can't get drunk like that. The quantity of ethanol that will get into your blood with that trick is vanishingly small.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by thaumasiotes »

jbob2000 wrote: post #22
gewrtw45 wrote: post #19

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> The team found that persistent marijuana use was linked to a decline in IQ, even after the researchers controlled for educational differences. The most persistent users — those who reported using the drug in three or more waves of the study — experienced a drop in neuropsychological functioning equivalent to about six IQ points (PNAS, 2012). "That's in the same realm as what you'd see with lead exposure," says Weis…

That's great, but what does that actually mean for someone? Does it mean that they are less happy? Does it mean that they earn less money? Does it mean they have less meaningful relationships? I understand the mechanisms behind marijuana use, but what is the real effect on a person's life?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RTY0LPO/
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