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Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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And if that's the case, someone has already thought of it and I can simply buy their product at a fraction of the cost that would require me to implement the same. Not only that, but it will be higher quality too as they have staff working on it day in, day out, while I've only got time here and there, between farm work, to work on it. There is no economic incentive for me to build it myself. It would be a net drain…

You are falling victim to the everything has already been invented line of thinking. There are plenty of things still needed for agriculture. Some of them just require thinking about turning the industry on it's head. For example no one likes Round-Up, people are not big fans of GM crops, one of the reasons we GM crops is the make them Round-Up resistant. The big player in the space has no incentive to change due to…

> You are falling victim to the everything has already been invented line of thinking.

Because in agriculture it is pretty much true. We are talking about the most technically advanced industry in existence, other than the military. As new technologies make new ideas possible, someone will jump on it immediately. Me, also trying to worry about operating my farm, will always be late to the party.

> A way to fix it is automated machines with object detection that eradicate weeds.

And that already exists and is commercially available. It is somewhat amusing that your best example of something that hasn't been invented yet is something that has been around for a long time.

It is not exactly cost effective against Roundup in all cases yet, but do you really think that if I tinker for an hour per day, if I'm lucky, that I'm going to magically find an efficiency that teams of people working full time on the problem wouldn't find on their own?

I am feeling that you continue to grossly underestimate what can be done with limited spare time between chores when competing against businesses with teams of technologists focused on the problems full-time.

Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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post #94

I think you have no idea how privileged you are for having the opportunity to enter the market with your background and a computer science degree in three years. I interned during summers during university starting around 2000. The dot com bubble had burst before I even graduated. The party was over. Managerialism was in full force. IT Managers at what was then a Fortune-10 financial powerhouse were going on an on ab…

+1 for double-majoring advice. Double-majoring can also help create more than one way of thinking and more neuro-plasticity.

Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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post #120

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> IMO blue collar work is a better option because it's easier work and more stable Did you ever do blue collar work as well as software engineering? Because I have no idea in which version of this world physical labor is preferable over a chill 9-5 desk job that typically comes with a higher salary. Unless free medical issues is your thing, then physical labor is absolutely the way to go. I did hear some horror stori…

A job does not become 'chill' just because you get to sit on your arse in a chair. There is plenty of stress in 'office jobs', enough to lead people to suicide, drugs, and dying of exhaustion - in UK that happened to an unpaid intern in banking. Your mind is a thing in itself and the social environment matters much more than whether you get to sit. I am quite happily to do weeks of home repairs, soldering. Electronic…

> in UK that happened to an unpaid intern in banking.

Note that events, in general, must be rare to make the news. In this case it sounds like it's not even a new trend they're reporting on but a single person in all of the UK. For all I know, that person was going to go off the rails regardless of what job they had (most people doing office jobs can handle an office job, either by dealing with it or deciding to do something else, so why couldn't this intern? I think you'll agree it's just not representative).

But of course, that doesn't make your comment wrong. You're right that I overstated how chill an office job is and I agree with the rest of your comment.

Doing an office job myself and knowing a lot of people that do, I know it can be plenty stressful, and sometimes very stressful for a long time. It's not necessarily chill just because you sit down. Mental problems can be just as bad as or worse than physical problems, total agree there.

But even though the best blue collar workplaces will surely score better than the worst office workplaces, I think that the average for an office worker is better pay, better benefits, better health, and higher job satisfaction. Therefore I do feel like the person I was replying to is either trolling (or, as a variant of that, testing with different comment styles to have controversial content accepted, but Hanlon's razor probably applies instead), or saw only outliers.

Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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post #203

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It's pretty much always been that way though. Death March was written 20 years ago: https://www.amazon.com/Death-March-Developers-Surviving-Impo... I'd say the demand for programmers is higher than ever and pay is definitely higher overall. 20 years ago $150k was a good salary for a programmer, now it's more like $350k.

(350/150)^(1/20)=1.04. Slightly better than inflation.

Well, no! Compound inflation from 1999 to 2019 (20 years) is 1.54, which is much less than 2.33 (350/150).

Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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post #94

I think you have no idea how privileged you are for having the opportunity to enter the market with your background and a computer science degree in three years. I interned during summers during university starting around 2000. The dot com bubble had burst before I even graduated. The party was over. Managerialism was in full force. IT Managers at what was then a Fortune-10 financial powerhouse were going on an on ab…

This is really good advice that I wish I had gotten while still in school.

Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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post #103

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>However, if you don't get into a FANG, it's not the end of the world. You might still be able to find another job at another software company if you're lucky. As the years go on, it'll be harder to get job due to the rapidly increasing supply of engineers. And the great thing about FAANG is that it's only easier to get in as you gain more experience. You're not screwed if you don't get in as a new grad or junior.

Kind of, but if you want to have the highest comp at a certain time after graduating, the sooner you join FAANG (or similar places like Airbnb) the better. Because if you join at 10 YOE you will probably be downleveled compared to most people who started out there. Not that it’s a huge deal, but just something to think about.

Oh definitely, but at least you're not completely shut out.

Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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CS isn't a career. CS is part of all careers. I imagine when cuneiform was first invented, there was a group of people who were the first writers and they probably worried that it would get saturated. How can we all be writers? There are only so many things to write down: recipes, shopping lists, the kings desires, and heroic tales. What are the rest of us going to do? But of course writing is just a way of expressin…

> CS isn't a career.

What is it that computer science professors are doing?

Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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This isn't just unpopular, it's ignorantly wrong. I've done blue collar work and CS work. Also the whole romanticizing of busting one's ass pisses me off to no end. > IMO blue collar work is a better option because it's easier work and more stable, and lets you have a life outside work. In software the hours are increasing to no real benefit, and free time is burnt just keeping with the times. This is all but objecti…

You hate the post, but the post is factually accurate. H1B abuse is indeed taking jobs from people and giving them to low wage workers who drive down wages for everyone.

Thankfully things can be factually accurate and still misleading. Kids mow lawns for a trivial cost when compared to professional landscapers. As such rampant child labor is undercutting and driving down wages for working professionals.

Re: Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years?

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post #203

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(350/150)^(1/20)=1.04. Slightly better than inflation.

Can't upvote this enough. People on HN keep talking about importance of statistics and differential equations, yet can't take account of inflation when talking about salaries from the previous millennium.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ - Headline: no.
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