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A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by mantap »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #85
aazaa wrote: post #81

The article links to the original source: https://freedomonthemove.org Scrolling down, one sees an ad from none other than Thomas Jefferson: > In Alberale, a Mulatto slave called Sandy, about 35 years of age, his stature is rather low, including to corpulence, and his complexion light; he is a shoemaker by trade, in which he uses his left hand principally, and is something of a horse jockey; ... Whoever conveys the s…

Jefferson’s and Washington’s psychology was certainly very interesting as far as their attitudes towards freedom and slavery went. I wonder how they justified to themselves having slaves while talking about freedom and liberty. But we do the same today. A lot of us have pretty unsustainable lifestyles as far as the environment goes but we make ourselves feel good (or even superior to others) by adding a little bit of…

The closest contemporary example is probably Aung San Suu Kyi. Deserving nobel peace prize winner and also literally defending genocide.

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Post by carapace »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #109
deogeo wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's striking to consider the self-delusion that must have been necessary for people at the time to believe in such wildly inconsistent notions as "inalienable rights" and slavery. Perhaps they simply viewed one as the goal to strive towards, and the other as the current, unfortunate state of reality. Especially given that they had a civil war not six decades after Jefferson's presidency, and paid a high price in t…

You can’t let them get away that easily. Jefferson and Washington could have freed their own slaves at any time but chose not to.

Washington had a slave batman whom he kept all through the Revolutionary war.

> William "Billy" Lee (1750–1828), also known as Will Lee, was George Washington's personal assistant and the only one of Washington's slaves freed immediately by Washington in his will. Because he served by Washington's side throughout the American Revolutionary War and was sometimes depicted next to Washington in paintings, Lee was one of the most publicized African Americans of his time.

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lee_(valet)

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Post by carapace »

wholepointofcc wrote: post #57
ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

Here's a list of countries Mexicans (just an example, I know there are people from elsewhere coming in thru y'alls southern border) don't need Visas to enter: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Visa_req... It literally includes all other countries in the American continent except for Guyana. Immigrate to these countries instead. Thank me later. Why would someone illegally immigrate to the USA in this…

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she

With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by carapace »

aazaa wrote: post #81

The article links to the original source: https://freedomonthemove.org Scrolling down, one sees an ad from none other than Thomas Jefferson: > In Alberale, a Mulatto slave called Sandy, about 35 years of age, his stature is rather low, including to corpulence, and his complexion light; he is a shoemaker by trade, in which he uses his left hand principally, and is something of a horse jockey; ... Whoever conveys the s…

I remember being blown away by a line from a Civil War document, a letter or diary of a Southern officer, talking about the units of the Northern army made up of Black people. He wrote something like, "If [black people] can be good soldiers that throws into question our whole theory of slavery."

They had a "theory of slavery"... That's what blew me away. This officer wasn't evil, or stupid, he was the product (or even victim) of his culture. They thought slavery benefited the slaves. As insane as that sounds, that was the everyday psychosis of the culture.

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Post by bdcravens »

weberc2 wrote: post #125
bdcravens wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. It's presented as an exhaustive list, making it a false dichotomy: "A situation in which two alternative points of view are presented as the only options, when others are available." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy

In idiomatic English, "or" can imply a dichotomy as you suggest or an incomplete list, which was my intention. I wasn't thinking about the ambiguity when I wrote it, so that's my fault.

Fair enough.

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Post by take_a_breath »

carapace wrote: post #144
aazaa wrote: post #81

The article links to the original source: https://freedomonthemove.org Scrolling down, one sees an ad from none other than Thomas Jefferson: > In Alberale, a Mulatto slave called Sandy, about 35 years of age, his stature is rather low, including to corpulence, and his complexion light; he is a shoemaker by trade, in which he uses his left hand principally, and is something of a horse jockey; ... Whoever conveys the s…

I remember being blown away by a line from a Civil War document, a letter or diary of a Southern officer, talking about the units of the Northern army made up of Black people. He wrote something like, "If [black people] can be good soldiers that throws into question our whole theory of slavery." They had a "theory of slavery"... That's what blew me away. This officer wasn't evil , or stupid, he was the product (or ev…

==They thought slavery benefited the slaves.==

People are still making this argument today. Just a few examples:

[1] http://www.theamericancause.org/032108.htm

[2] https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/trent-franks-blacks-bet...

[3] https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/07/11/social-conservativ...

[4] http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/329286

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Post by take_a_breath »

jtx22 wrote: post #68
jordanpg wrote: post #36

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The fact that we put other humans in cages for any reason is probably unforgivable on a long enough timeline, especially for non-violent crimes.

Protecting the sovereignty of your country will be paramount in the future. Future generations will look back at this borderless craze.. as truly insane.

==Future generations will look back at this borderless craze.. as truly insane.==

Why will future generations be interested in things that never existed?

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Post by take_a_breath »

oh_sigh wrote: post #120
sfkdjf9j3j wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't breaking immigration laws as they are asylum seekers.

Pretty much everyone is going to say they are seeking asylum if they are caught.

Just like anyone is going to say they are innocent if arrested. Luckily, we have a process to determine validity.

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Post by take_a_breath »

deogeo wrote: post #111
jsutton wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally no one is proposing giving citizenship to everyone who wants it, so your 'genuine question' comes off as completely insincere at best.

What else would you call DACA, sanctuary cities, or the proposed amnesty for illegal immigrants, then? Eventually, they or their children become citizens, which is little different from the policy you claim literally no one is proposing.

==Eventually, they or their children become citizens, which is little different from the policy you claim literally no one is proposing.==

Literally none of those are "giving citizenship to everyone who wants it". To take your eventually example to the next step, if their children's children have kids on US soil, they will automatically be US citizens. By your logic, the existing US Constitution is "little different" from the same policy.

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