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New York Fed Again Upsizes Liquidity Plans for Turn of the Year

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Re: New York Fed Again Upsizes Liquidity Plans for Turn of the Year

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post #6

What's the obsession with the NYT specifically, in contrast to other news outlets? It made the post rather irritating to read. I'm not American, so I feel like I'm missing the significance that might be obvious to everyone else.

They're considered one of, if not the, premier newspaper in the US, but have been falling down a lot lately.

"One one side, we have geophysicist Dr. Alicia Gomez to talk about the history of learning about the shape of the earth and its place in the cosmos. On the other side, we have Bob from the internet, who claims it's flat".

Edit BTW, good follow if you're interested in this sort of asymmetry and how it's playing out in many ways: https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu

Re: New York Fed Again Upsizes Liquidity Plans for Turn of the Year

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post #6

What's the obsession with the NYT specifically, in contrast to other news outlets? It made the post rather irritating to read. I'm not American, so I feel like I'm missing the significance that might be obvious to everyone else.

I was wondering the same, maybe there are some NYT publicists spamming new articles? I've seen a lot of WSJ as well tho.

Tangentially, if you want to see how several media outlets deal with a single piece of news i suggest https://spidr.today (not affiliated, just a satisfied user)

If you ignore the comment box it's pretty cozy and useful.

Re: New York Fed Again Upsizes Liquidity Plans for Turn of the Year

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If I lend my friend $10 every day for lunch and he pays me back the next day and this happens 5 days in a row in what context would it make sense to say I have lent him $50 dollars? The linked discussion about cumulative liquidity seems completely full of FUD and designed to obfuscate rather than illuminate its readers. Less of this and more links to Matt Levine please.

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> The $2.93 trillion that the New York Fed will funnel to Wall Street over the next month consists of up to $120 billion each weekday in overnight loans through January 14 and $440 billion in term loans ranging from 3-days to 32 days.

We're talking about an overnight loan of $120 billion (that is, a loan that is paid back the next morning, lent again the next night, paid back in the morning, etc. This article is treating it as a cumulative loan - that is, the second day, it's now $240 billion (never mind that the first $120 billion has been paid back by then), and the third day it's $360 billion (never mind that the first $240 billion has been paid back by then).

That's either incredibly stupid, or propaganda. My money is on propaganda.

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I'm a foreigner so maybe someone can answer me; is this money earmarked? Will it be traced? Are the books open and available to everyone? In short; can we see exactly what this money is used for? Otherwise it's just a big robbery.

> is this money earmarked? Will it be traced? Are the books open and available to everyone?

Yes, it's earmarked. Yes, it's traced.

No, the Fed's books are not "open to everybody". They are, however, open on a delay to a ridiculous level as you can find from their website. (As in, if you want to know how much each institution has borrowed on what terms, you can do that.)

Re: New York Fed Again Upsizes Liquidity Plans for Turn of the Year

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This, from a WSJ article linked in the post, would seem to be important context:

> Fed repo operations take in Treasury, agency and mortgage bonds from eligible banks in exchange for short-term loans of cash. They are effectively collateralized loans from the central bank, and they are designed to ensure the financial system has enough liquidity to keep short-term rates relatively steady.

> The Fed has used repo operations, as well as purchases of government securities, for decades to control short-term interest rates, which is key to its ability to influence the direction of the economy.

> The Fed’s response to the financial crisis and its aftermath, however, put repo operations on the shelf for just over a decade. The Fed started using them again in mid-September after interest rates in the repo markets, where firms borrow and lend securities and cash short-term, unexpectedly spiked.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-fed-again-upsizes-liqu...

I think it matters quite a bit whether these operations are an unusual emergency measure, or the Fed is merely resuming common operations that it paused in the wake of the financial crisis.

Re: New York Fed Again Upsizes Liquidity Plans for Turn of the Year

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Here is my admittedly ignorant question about this: is it possible that the institutions borrowing these funds are actually using those funds not for relatively low-risk purposes (e.g., paying taxes), but instead to trade "overnight"? Similar to how a high-net-worth individual can borrow against their assets for a very low rate and then turn around and invest those cheap-interest-rate funds into higher-return (i.e., riskier) investments?

This is wholly unsubstantiated, but a link someone posted on this issue in a previous submission on HN (I can't find it) suggested that hedge funds in particular are the main institutions causing this, that the too-big-to-fail banks (JP, BofA, etc.) are unwilling to lend to them in the repo market because the hedge funds are taking too much risk with those funds, and the hedge funds are in turn forcing the fed's hand by telling them that they either step in with funds or they'll either be forced to sell assets en masse or, worse, fail. I'm probably using the wrong language to describe the mechanics of how this would actually take place (e.g., I'm not suggesting a hedge fund actually calls up and forces the fed's hand).

I have seen multiple people assert there's a reasonable explanation for this and others suggest this is just more QE and that the market, after years of QE, can't function properly without it, and so I'm floating what is likely a conspiracy theory as an attempt at getting an explanation from someone informed. Nearly impossible to believe this is a benign event. The parties (the fed, the big banks, hedge funds) haven't earned that trust so if it is benign then maybe there's a first time for everything.

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