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When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Post by rb808 »

Grangar wrote: post #5
thdrdt wrote: post #2

(I'm Dutch) My original post: The strange thing is that all the weight of the ice is pulling our area down. When all that ice melts our area will be lifted up. So we won't notice much difference. Edit: some facts are that the sea level at the west coast of north America has dropped and the sea level above Australia has risen. Sea levels are not as 'level' as you might think. By the way: I'm not saying we should not w…

This is the first time I hear about this. Do you have a source for it?

There is a big gravity effect with ice sheets attracting water. If/when Greenland melts, water levels nearby will drop a lot, NW Europe might even fall too.

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/regional-s...

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Post by simplemts »

raverbashing wrote: post #8

Netherlands has been dealing with flooding even before the US existed. I think they will be fine.

From the perspective of an American living in the Netherlands for several years now...

The Dutch are light years ahead in their Water management from the US, and far ahead of any other developed nation. The Dutch have a separate tax for Water to ensure money is there to prioritize this need, the citizens/children are all educated on the importance of water management (i.e. Indoctrination from young so EVERY citizen knows how important it is).

Highly recommend everyone watch/read about the dam they built in the North Sea.

In short, they will be fine. This is a core part of their culture, investment, and priority.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Post by empath75 »

adventskalender wrote: post #3

Am I the only one who gets angry at stupid "mood setting" in such articles? It leads with the picture of an abandoned settlement that has turned to marshland, only to reveal that it was deliberately given over to the sea. Why should I read on after they wasted my time with that imagery? As for Netherlands being flooded, I suppose that threat has existed since the early day of its existence.

It wasn’t given back to the sea because they were tired of having all that extra farmland. They are strategically giving up on some parts to preserve others.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Post by adventskalender »

mnsc wrote: post #9

Hej, kollade på din historik och utgår från ditt användarnamn att du är en landsfrände. Du verkar vara arg på saker. Mår du verkligen bra? Ska du verkligen vara ute på internet och skriva om de saker som gör dig arg?

Sorry I don't speak Swedish. But according to Google translate - don't we all waste too much time on the internet?

It's really sad that HN now is more likely to darken my mood than to be an enjoyable experience, though.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Post by tsimionescu »

mnsc wrote: post #10
bcraven wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eustatic change is much faster than isostatic change though. In a few thousand years you might be alright but you'd have been wet for millennia.

Yeah, but that is one glorious millennia of getting to ignore climate change and keep burning dinosaurs like it's no tomorrow! Wroom!

I think that's the other way around - you get to drown now, but boy oh boy, you'll sure have a happy time come next millennium!

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Post by blunte »

the-dude wrote: post #14

A couple of months ago, one of the guys running our watermanagement ( https://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/ ) claimed The Netherlands would sustain 'multiple meters of sea level rise'.

I'm sure the "water shapers" are optimistic given their success thus far. They have done quite well overall. But catastrophic failures tend to be combinations of events, events which individually could be handled.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Post by the-dude »

blunte wrote: post #17
the-dude wrote: post #14

A couple of months ago, one of the guys running our watermanagement ( https://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/ ) claimed The Netherlands would sustain 'multiple meters of sea level rise'.

I'm sure the "water shapers" are optimistic given their success thus far. They have done quite well overall. But catastrophic failures tend to be combinations of events, events which individually could be handled.

That is pure speculation.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Post by adventskalender »

empath75 wrote: post #13
adventskalender wrote: post #3

Am I the only one who gets angry at stupid "mood setting" in such articles? It leads with the picture of an abandoned settlement that has turned to marshland, only to reveal that it was deliberately given over to the sea. Why should I read on after they wasted my time with that imagery? As for Netherlands being flooded, I suppose that threat has existed since the early day of its existence.

It wasn’t given back to the sea because they were tired of having all that extra farmland. They are strategically giving up on some parts to preserve others.

Then they should say so in the article. All it says is "The Noordwaard polder was one of 39 such areas selected for the Dutch government’s “Room for the River” program, in which land was given back to the water."

Shame on the Dutch government for the euphemism, too, I guess.

Afaik it is nothing new that the sea claims land that was previously settled on. The destruction of Rungholt in the 14th century is a famous example that comes to mind.

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