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Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by bilekas »

jessaustin wrote: post #16
bilekas wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> -and that it's legally allowed to do so--is the best reason I've seen so far to break up Big Tech. Of course it is legal.. Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to.. But you want to break it up and what then exactly.. ? > Both Android and Chrome need to be spun out--at this point they are basically public utilities No, they're not.. And they're not a fundamental right either.

Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to. Lots of court cases have forced merchants to sell to minorities to whom they would rather have not sold.

Could you share on some references to products and not services forced to be sold ?

Also policy based and not discriminatory based..

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by DSingularity »

jacquesm wrote: post #18
jessaustin wrote: post #14

Google also operate in USA. USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges.

> Google also operate in USA. They're based there, in case you didn't notice. > USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. And is substantially larger, and tends to not lock up everybody that might be against dear leader. For now. > Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges. Definitely not a very good moment in the history of the USA but there are plenty of worse examples and besides the case…

Why not? Turkey survived a coup. We can critique the governments handling all day but can we at least all agree that when a democracy barely survives a coup it ought to institute policies to solidify the rule of law and endurance of its institutions?

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by gtfratteus »

jessaustin wrote: post #16
bilekas wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> -and that it's legally allowed to do so--is the best reason I've seen so far to break up Big Tech. Of course it is legal.. Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to.. But you want to break it up and what then exactly.. ? > Both Android and Chrome need to be spun out--at this point they are basically public utilities No, they're not.. And they're not a fundamental right either.

Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to. Lots of court cases have forced merchants to sell to minorities to whom they would rather have not sold.

Completely irrelevant unless you know of a case where an American court forced a company to sell to Turkey.

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by La1n »

jacquesm wrote: post #18
jessaustin wrote: post #14

Google also operate in USA. USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges.

> Google also operate in USA. They're based there, in case you didn't notice. > USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. And is substantially larger, and tends to not lock up everybody that might be against dear leader. For now. > Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges. Definitely not a very good moment in the history of the USA but there are plenty of worse examples and besides the case…

>And is substantially larger

And it still has the world's highest incarceration rate. I am not saying it "the same" but using size of the country is a non argument here.

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by Jonnax »

This story is about Google not wanting to have a browser choice screen for the bundled Chrome application to give a choice of either Yandex or Google search???

It doesn't sound that's all there is here.

Perhaps a Yandex app store? Or perhaps this is about data residency?

But also the author here is arguing that Android is a state asset and the choice to restrict usage to a country is the job of the government.

Seems like a silly idea to me.

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by rimliu »

jacquesm wrote: post #18
jessaustin wrote: post #14

Google also operate in USA. USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges.

> Google also operate in USA. They're based there, in case you didn't notice. > USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. And is substantially larger, and tends to not lock up everybody that might be against dear leader. For now. > Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges. Definitely not a very good moment in the history of the USA but there are plenty of worse examples and besides the case…

It's amusing how for many things you "cannot compare X and US in this way" for whatever reason. Seems that the US is beyond any comparison.

Go to this page, sort by the number of incarcerations per 100,000 population and enjoy the interesting picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by jupp0r »

DSingularity wrote: post #22
jacquesm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google also operate in USA. They're based there, in case you didn't notice. > USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. And is substantially larger, and tends to not lock up everybody that might be against dear leader. For now. > Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges. Definitely not a very good moment in the history of the USA but there are plenty of worse examples and besides the case…

Why not? Turkey survived a coup. We can critique the governments handling all day but can we at least all agree that when a democracy barely survives a coup it ought to institute policies to solidify the rule of law and endurance of its institutions?

Your premise of democracy is wrong. Turkey is an authoritarian dictatorship at this point.

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by huffmsa »

owlninja wrote: post #5

Perhaps I am not understanding the implications, but is Google supposed to be forced to make its phones available in Turkey?

> is Google supposed to be forced to make its phones available in Turkey

Well yes, because free trade, globalization, equality and other buzzwords.

/s

The reality is that historical big companies have always sparred with nation-states. Usually the EIC, but occasionally other firms.

They went roughly 50/50. "Won" in China. Lost in America.

OPEC said "no oil for you" and it worked. And no one invaded or otherwise compelled them to sell oil to people they didn't like.

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by lern_too_spel »

jessaustin wrote: post #14

Google also operate in USA. USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges.

> Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges.

And released when the accusers were found the be lying. How does this incident put the US in the same league as Turkey?

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