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Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by bilekas »

techntoke wrote: post #9
bilekas wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> -and that it's legally allowed to do so--is the best reason I've seen so far to break up Big Tech. Of course it is legal.. Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to.. But you want to break it up and what then exactly.. ? > Both Android and Chrome need to be spun out--at this point they are basically public utilities No, they're not.. And they're not a fundamental right either.

Chromium is already open source.

Technically so is Android but thats a whole other can of worms..

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by baybal2 »

The giant still has legs of clay.

China still has an overwhelming edge in manufacturing, with Vietnam and Thailand being years away from reaching even 10% of its capacity.

They can easily legally mandate everybody to use "Huaweidroid" and make sure that chipmakers bake in their key fingerprints, so the firmware can't be changed outside of China.

With anything like that unfolding, there will simply be no way out of this for Google, unless they commit to a truly herculean task of starting own manufacturing somewhere else. But even in this case, they will have to commit to competition with now much cheaper "Huaweidroid" based phones

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by pmlnr »

> The regulator had asked Google to change all its software distribution agreements to allow consumers to choose different search engines in its Android mobile operating system.

Hang on a second... why does the MS regulation to offer browser choice on first run apply to this already?

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Post by ptah »

pmlnr wrote: post #13

> The regulator had asked Google to change all its software distribution agreements to allow consumers to choose different search engines in its Android mobile operating system. Hang on a second... why does the MS regulation to offer browser choice on first run apply to this already?

Turkey is not in the EU yet

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Post by jessaustin »

bilekas wrote: post #6
amb23 wrote: post #3

> Google said it was willing to ‘work with’ Turkey, but as a partner and not as a corporation working within a sovereign nation. It simply said it doesn’t like Turkey’s law, and so it will stop providing Android phones for an entire country. In other words, Google has a private sanctions regime against smaller countries. The fact that Google even has the leverage to blackout an entire country like this--and that it's…

> -and that it's legally allowed to do so--is the best reason I've seen so far to break up Big Tech. Of course it is legal.. Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to.. But you want to break it up and what then exactly.. ? > Both Android and Chrome need to be spun out--at this point they are basically public utilities No, they're not.. And they're not a fundamental right either.

Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to.

Lots of court cases have forced merchants to sell to minorities to whom they would rather have not sold.

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by seunosewa »

The article was masterfully framed to make us feel outraged by Google’s exercise of its right to chose where it does business. When Google pulls out of a country, it loses a lot, and so does the country. This is a strong incentive for both parties to be reasonable. Forcing Google to obey every government in the world doesn’t seem fair; many countries have unreasonable or evil laws.

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Post by jacquesm »

jessaustin wrote: post #14

Google also operate in USA. USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges.

> Google also operate in USA.

They're based there, in case you didn't notice.

> USA has more people in prison than Turkey has.

And is substantially larger, and tends to not lock up everybody that might be against dear leader. For now.

> Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges.

Definitely not a very good moment in the history of the USA but there are plenty of worse examples and besides the case was dropped.

You really can not compare Turkey and the United States in this way.

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Post by black_puppydog »

seunosewa wrote: post #17

The article was masterfully framed to make us feel outraged by Google’s exercise of its right to chose where it does business. When Google pulls out of a country, it loses a lot, and so does the country. This is a strong incentive for both parties to be reasonable. Forcing Google to obey every government in the world doesn’t seem fair; many countries have unreasonable or evil laws.

OTOH: forcing every country in the world to obey google is no better.

Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy

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Post by DSingularity »

jessaustin wrote: post #14

Google also operate in USA. USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges.

Thank you. It’s insane how people put zero effort into looking at the surrounding context before passing such huge judgements.
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