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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by BilalBudhani »

nilsocket wrote: post #92

For all the messy comments against Indian government, To make things clear. CAB (Citizenship Amendment Bill) made for illegal migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh (Three Islamic countries). Who is an illegal migrant: Anybody who came to India after 1971 from these countries. To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014. What does it say: If one came to India before 2014 and st…

The government in power has strategically choose this move to strengthen their vote bank in upcoming elections in Assam[1].

There are other neighbouring countries like Nepal, China, Sri lank, Myanmar etc. where minorities are facing the same level of persecution which is conveniently ignored because they did not find in the current agenda of the government.

For the first time in Indian history, There is a citizenship law which discriminates based on religion.

Talking about NRC. It is going to be yet another blow to already struggling Indian economy after demonetization[2] & poor rollout of GST[3].

With NRC government will make entire population loose hundreds of hours of man power individually by making them go through a bureaucratic, unthoughtful, ill defined process to prove their citizenship. Moreover, NRC has already proven to be a failure when the government executed it[4]

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Assam

2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Indian_banknote_demonetis...

3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_Services_Tax_(India)

4 - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by quantummkv »

random314 wrote: post #136
nilsocket wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your statement goes completely against Indian election results. Re-electing somebody with such a huge majority clearly states, people of India are happy with present government. Don't put up your propaganda as voice Indians. Being an Indian, I'm very happy with BJP, and I'm not Hindu.

> and I'm not Hindu. Must be a Hindu atheist

Religion does not matter in issues of national interest. Please stop shoehorning religion everywhere, comrade.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by thewhitetulip »

nilsocket wrote: post #92

For all the messy comments against Indian government, To make things clear. CAB (Citizenship Amendment Bill) made for illegal migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh (Three Islamic countries). Who is an illegal migrant: Anybody who came to India after 1971 from these countries. To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014. What does it say: If one came to India before 2014 and st…

I wonder why such a misleading comment has become a top comment.

> Why segregation based on religion? Because of persecution of minorities in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan.

Well, we have documented evidence of Shri Lankan Hindu Tamils being prosecuted in Shri Lanka. Why are those Hindus not included?

Also if you read this link below, Shia Muslims have been ruled non Muslims. So they r not Muslims acc to Pakistan itself but yet they're not included https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/opinion/pakistans-religiou...

> NRC (National Register for Citizens) is aimed at moving illegal immigrants to detention camps or they are free to leave to there actual country. During NRC one(Everybody in India) needs to prove there citizenship. This Bill is applicable only for illegal

Either you are intentionally ignoring that CAA and NRC are going to go hand in hand or you are ill informed.

In NRC everyone has to show documents, that itself is wrong at so many levels. They did this in Assam but they found out that Hindus are being left out of the Registry, and that's why they brought this bill, to leave Muslims out of the NRC. This way, only Muslims will be "illegal migrants" because other non Muslims are going to get citizenship according to CAA

> To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014.

And how are you going to check of someone is a migrant? Any govt proof won't work and we have to "prove" our parents grandparents documents. India isn't known for documentation is it?

Edit: Family member of a former president was left out od NRC Assam, he was a Muslim.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/former-president-fakhr...

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by farseer »

nilsocket wrote: post #92

For all the messy comments against Indian government, To make things clear. CAB (Citizenship Amendment Bill) made for illegal migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh (Three Islamic countries). Who is an illegal migrant: Anybody who came to India after 1971 from these countries. To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014. What does it say: If one came to India before 2014 and st…

You are mostly right, except the last part where "This Bill is applicable only for illegal immigrants".

The thing is, the Indian government also plans to implement a National Register of Citizens (NRC) in tandem with this bill where all citizens are supposed to prove that they really are "Indian". This diabolical CAB bill now makes the burden of proof for citizenship criteria only applicable to India's Muslim minority by giving an explicit exemption to all non-Muslims.

So yes the bill is innocuously worded but the intent behind it along with the NRC is registrar is mala fide at best and fascist at worst.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by quantummkv »

goombastic wrote: post #128
quantummkv wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a straight up Nazi policy. Can't we have a good faith approach and see. It what you are saying does happens then we can revolt. And we would. But would it bad to if only the good happens? What's wrong with a bit of optimism?

Maybe revolting withing detention camps isn't a good idea?

How about revolting IF and when they try to put you in camps?

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by thewhitetulip »

BilalBudhani wrote: post #151
nilsocket wrote: post #92

For all the messy comments against Indian government, To make things clear. CAB (Citizenship Amendment Bill) made for illegal migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh (Three Islamic countries). Who is an illegal migrant: Anybody who came to India after 1971 from these countries. To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014. What does it say: If one came to India before 2014 and st…

The government in power has strategically choose this move to strengthen their vote bank in upcoming elections in Assam[1]. There are other neighbouring countries like Nepal, China, Sri lank, Myanmar etc. where minorities are facing the same level of persecution which is conveniently ignored because they did not find in the current agenda of the government. For the first time in Indian history, There is a citizenship…

Assam NRC has cost 1.3 thousand crore and Assam is 3% of the entire population. This government doesn't have funds to run day to day operations (it has delayed payment of taxes to states), where will it bring so much money?

Also why is it needed? Because government could not do any good work. Economy is in a free fall, unemployment rate is highest in 45yrs

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by _f9cu »

ok. everything US does, India does it too. Fashion - yay yay, lets buy that cloth. Entertainment - did you watch that movie, it got released last friday. Education - Ha ha. lets both go down that road. India survives because in the past ancestors were educated and righteous. Gave Indians good brain. Why? may be meditation? its fine. leave that for now. Medical/pharma - We have lots of lab rats in one country, and we have regulations control board in other country. Shake hands. Business - Goes hand/ under the table. Corruption - We share same mind set.

Money is a scam. Anything that it touches, makes a cancer out of it.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by quantummkv »

pintxo wrote: post #126
quantummkv wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a straight up Nazi policy. Can't we have a good faith approach and see. It what you are saying does happens then we can revolt. And we would. But would it bad to if only the good happens? What's wrong with a bit of optimism?

Optimism does not mix well with detention camps.

It worked for us when throwing out the Brits in the 40's. So why shouldn't it work now if required?

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by vijaybritto »

This is a monstrous law.

The first step is to make millions of people illegal.

Next is to give all but Muslims citizenship. Muslims would be stripped off their right to vote.

Even hitler would be inspired from such evil plans.

(Also from the comments everyone can see how heartless people can be)

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by thewhitetulip »

farseer wrote: post #154
nilsocket wrote: post #92

For all the messy comments against Indian government, To make things clear. CAB (Citizenship Amendment Bill) made for illegal migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh (Three Islamic countries). Who is an illegal migrant: Anybody who came to India after 1971 from these countries. To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014. What does it say: If one came to India before 2014 and st…

You are mostly right, except the last part where "This Bill is applicable only for illegal immigrants". The thing is, the Indian government also plans to implement a National Register of Citizens (NRC) in tandem with this bill where all citizens are supposed to prove that they really are "Indian". This diabolical CAB bill now makes the burden of proof for citizenship criteria only applicable to India's Muslim minorit…

OP isn't mostly right. They know what they're saying. It almost reads like a Govt Press Conference where they pretend to be neutral while taking an obviously anti secular decision hoing that nobody catches up with it
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