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Story of Mattermost: Open-Sourced Competitor to Slack

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One more differentiating factor for Mattermost is its extra special focus security. The product offers the industry’s most flexible and secure instant messaging capabilities across all devices.

Isn't Mattermost fundamentally the same thing, architecturally, as Slack? Slack has one of the industry's stronger security teams. I don't see the differentiator here.

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Love the fact people are adopting Opensource solutions but corporates won’t budge. I think the hardest penetration for anyone right now is Microsoft Teams. Since they started bundling teams with Office they have been able to boast about numbers and actually hurt Slack. I wonder what is roadmap for Mattermost. Shameless plug I myself did an opensource version of a chat server called raspchat https://github.com/maxpert/raspchat which was able to handle almost 5K very active chatters on a Raspberry Pi Model B (Just 512 MB of RAM). My original dream was to build a drop and run server on cheap raspberry pi for local areas but man has to feed his family and I had to make a tough choice. It’s harsh IMHO out there to get attention and then convince folks to develop integrations for you. I hope this space doesn’t endup with duopoly and products like Mattermost take off.

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The open-source Mattermost intentionally lacks a couple of pieces of basic functionality to push you to pay, like the ability to stop regular users from deleting channels, and no way to set a reasonable password policy that requires more than 5 characters. Mattermost (and specifically their CEO, who is vigorously replying to messages on this thread, but probably won’t engage with this one) haven’t responded positivel…

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Re: Story of Mattermost: Open-Sourced Competitor to Slack

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Love the fact people are adopting Opensource solutions but corporates won’t budge. I think the hardest penetration for anyone right now is Microsoft Teams. Since they started bundling teams with Office they have been able to boast about numbers and actually hurt Slack. I wonder what is roadmap for Mattermost. Shameless plug I myself did an opensource version of a chat server called raspchat https://github.com/maxpert…

Mattermost CEO here,

Awesome work on raspchat! And thanks for the kind words.

Often we see users and customers have both Microsoft Teams for Office365 users and Mattermost as the "developer's choice" given the open source code base and flexibility in high security environments.

Per the article, the market is very large, and there's many different user segments to serve. Therefore there should be multiple winners here, in my mind. I think this category is only just starting.

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post #66

As with mastodon and similar projects - having to deploy, secure and maintain a db server is a big friction point, I wish projects aiming at self-hosting would internalize that and use something like sqlite for small to moderate deployments and would even as go as far as suggesting that it is unlikely to ever be deployed at a scale that a single-writer-multi-reader sqlite service on a decent machine can't handle.

For $20/m ($5 for a droplet and $15 for a managed DB instance) you can have that peace of mind on DO.

There's much more to hosting a service than standing it up on the modern equivalent of an VM and assuming it'll never need to be touched again.

Re: Story of Mattermost: Open-Sourced Competitor to Slack

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The open-source Mattermost intentionally lacks a couple of pieces of basic functionality to push you to pay, like the ability to stop regular users from deleting channels, and no way to set a reasonable password policy that requires more than 5 characters. Mattermost (and specifically their CEO, who is vigorously replying to messages on this thread, but probably won’t engage with this one) haven’t responded positivel…

I know of a place that tried Mattermost, realized it was crappy demoware (their words, not mine), and dumped it for another solution.

It doesn't really have a place even doing open source works (no real controls), nor in the corporate world... unless you pay.

I have to agree with their assessment of demoware.

Re: Story of Mattermost: Open-Sourced Competitor to Slack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more disturbing than the bug itself is the Mattermost team's response that this behavior is intentional for the free "team edition" of their software, and that "actually, I think the bug is that we should not be showing Channel Admin as a role in Team Edition" (i.e, users of the free edition don't get any kind of access controls, making it impractical to use outside a small group of trusted users). Potentially…

I think "all team members are admins" is more usable than you think it is; I generally do this for many cloud services on most of my teams even at my day job; it's just not worth spending time dealing with access control, setting it up, and then someone who can't do what they need to do for their job cause you didn't give them enough access, or the only person who can do what needs done is on vacation, etc. I often s…

Of course it's more useful, it's more useful to team members and to malicious users alike, but it's not useful for passing security audits and certifications.

Re: Story of Mattermost: Open-Sourced Competitor to Slack

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The open-source Mattermost intentionally lacks a couple of pieces of basic functionality to push you to pay, like the ability to stop regular users from deleting channels, and no way to set a reasonable password policy that requires more than 5 characters. Mattermost (and specifically their CEO, who is vigorously replying to messages on this thread, but probably won’t engage with this one) haven’t responded positivel…

disable the endpoint in your reverse proxy

use sso/ldap/ad (paid?) etc

Re: Story of Mattermost: Open-Sourced Competitor to Slack

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is a good comment/response by the co-founder of mattermost at https://rolfje.wordpress.com/2017/10/26/mattermost-delete-ch... (scroll to the end of post for the comments)

Not a great comment, in my opinion. He does nothing to address the artificial neutering of the community edition, especially when compared to all the open source products that Mattermost uses - as the blog post author's response sets out.

Why is artificial neutering unethical? What’s wrong with it? Change the code yourself or pay the guy. 99% of software only gives you the second option.
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