Reminds me of Ray Noorda[1]. Nothing good ever happens when companies focus entirely on their competitors. If Google really wants to beat Amazon & Microsoft in "Cloud", they should focus entirely on the customer and the value they can provide that customer. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Noorda
Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud
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#412I can't imagine a more damaging leak for Google Cloud. A company that's already notorious for abandoning projects now has a public date for when they'll abandon cloud. How could anyone in their right mind start building on GCP? They may as well shut it down today.
So much for the usefulness of my GCP Cloud Architect cert...
Think how good your rates might be for the last six months of 2022!
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#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-is-discontinuing-the-germa... https://hackernoon.com/microsoft-announces-the-end-of-the-ge... https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/azure-docs/issues/14944 If you still don't believe me, please provide your public key or email address so I can publish a response. Maybe it doesn't stand out: Microsoft Germany delivered the promise that US authorities are technically unable to access stored…
This is precisely my point: > Existing customers can continue to use the current cloud services available today. > Existing customers are not affected by this and can continue to use the Germany cloud without restriction. You don't see any Windows Phones being sold, but they still years later being supported with security updates. No one can possibly fault a business for stopping continuing development of an unpopula…
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#414I do not understand the hyperbole around this report. Nowhere does it say that Google plans to shutter GCP if it doesn't reach #1 by 2023.
> said people with knowledge of the matter.
As in, people who may not have even been at said meeting which took place nearly two years ago, under a different VP and now a different CEO, and saw some meeting notes.
> The group’s leaders told staffers that if Google couldn’t reach a certain size with its computing and storage business—two of the most commonly used cloud services—the cloud unit might never become profitable, the person said. To reach such scale, they said, Google would need to be in a top two position in the market.
So it's not about being #1, it's about being profitable.
In other words, this was a conversation about literally every product at an executive level ever.
You set goals, you decide what happens when those goals are met. Furthermore, there is no concrete assertion here that what happens if this deadline is passed. "at risk of losing funding" can literally mean anything from changing FTE allocation to capital expenses to a million other things that get discussed at an executive level.
And finally:
> A Google spokesperson declined to comment prior to the publication of this story, but after it appeared released the following statement: "Reports of these conversations from 2018 are simply not accurate."
There may be some truth to these accounts--reality is often between the lines--but this is extremely soft on details and actual first person accounts.
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#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mostly all you need to know about Microsoft's support lifecycle is that my Windows Mobile phone just got a security patch on Patch Tuesday, and apparently Microsoft also extended its support an extra month into January just because. Microsoft platforms most people think are long dead and buried still get maintenance updates years later.
Microsoft have plenty of platforms and products that were abandoned overnight. It’s hard for me to even think of Windows Phone, for example, without thinking of what happened to WP7 buyers when they abruptly pivoted their mobile OS/runtime strategy with the incompatible WP8. The most they got was a WP7.8 update that skinned the immediately-dead platform to look like the new one. It’s a matter of visibility and what k…
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#416I want to put on end to the "you can't contact Google" comments that comes up every time Google Cloud makes the front page. You can contact Google Cloud. They are very responsive. I'm currently at a small startup using GCP, and I've been at similarly sized startups with equivalent AWS spends. I have found it easier to have serious discussions with GCP, compared to AWS. We have dedicated GCP contacts. We actually have…
I’ve had a similar experience where I could email PMs and we even had Google forward deployed engineers on-site. The trouble is that their customer service is terrible. We reported numerous issues and there was no tracking at all. For one UI bug in their webapp, a PM completely disregarded the reproduction instructions I gave him and made me have a half-hour kong Hangout with a remote engineer to prove the bug existe…
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#417I don't understand how an enterprise as big as google doesn't have the energy to simply eat through time and money until it succeeds. Even if the share has to be divided forever between 3 major cloud providers, it would eventually pay off.
Time and money aren't Google's scarce resources. Engineers are. Every Google project would love nothing more than to steal other Google project's staffing for themselves.
- thinking outside the box
- considering consequences
- estimating impacts of 2nd and 3rd order
this should lead to the realization this may not be a good idea: why didn't the managers (which quite probably have been engineers before becoming managers) consider that?
Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud
#418I can't imagine a more damaging leak for Google Cloud. A company that's already notorious for abandoning projects now has a public date for when they'll abandon cloud. How could anyone in their right mind start building on GCP? They may as well shut it down today.
Maybe this helps GCP as the leak now makes this reputational for GOOG. They’ll have to keep it running to prevent people leaving because of the leak so they’ll do something drastic like pledge 10 years of support or something. This is what has always terrified me about GCP. The business mode wasn’t there so I haven’t done anything serious since they killed/overhauled app engine years ago (aws seems to always make stu…
Comparatively speaking they are incompetent both Technically and Manageability, compared to Amazon and Azure, or to better phase it compared to Jeff Bezos and Satya Nadella.
It remains to be seen now Google CEO Sundar Pichai, now also Alphabet CEO will change. ( I could never understand how Google Cloud also had a CEO )