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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I can't imagine a more damaging leak for Google Cloud. A company that's already notorious for abandoning projects now has a public date for when they'll abandon cloud. How could anyone in their right mind start building on GCP? They may as well shut it down today.

Agreed, this is a disaster. A lot of leaks simply don't matter all that much-- Apple might get annoyed at iPhone leaks, but they probably don't affect sales one bit-- but this is dead serious. I hope Google's C-suite is treating this article as the PR equivalent of a Sev-1 servers-on-fire emergency, because it is. If they don't come out swinging today and announcing that they're all-in on GCP for the long haul, it's…

e: nm :)

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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post #15

I can't imagine a more damaging leak for Google Cloud. A company that's already notorious for abandoning projects now has a public date for when they'll abandon cloud. How could anyone in their right mind start building on GCP? They may as well shut it down today.

CTOs and CEOs who matter do not give shit about these sort of leaks. Google cloud is unlikely going anywhere because it is the same thing on which Google runs. Unless Google itself is shutting down the marginal cost of providing GCP to the rest of the world is less (still in billions though). What would one prefer ? Google top brass not setting deadline to beat competition? Google not trying to be market leader ?

It’s not, though. Search and Adsense still run on Borg, not GCP.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

#393
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you underestimate how political Google has become internally.

I picture search engine team laughing secretly (or openly?) looking at this post? Is that an accurate imagination? I don't work at google so I have no idea of knowing what it's like.

Why? They're the people (including ads) that keep the company afloat. GCP is just another sideshow, albeit a large one.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, this is a disaster. A lot of leaks simply don't matter all that much-- Apple might get annoyed at iPhone leaks, but they probably don't affect sales one bit-- but this is dead serious. I hope Google's C-suite is treating this article as the PR equivalent of a Sev-1 servers-on-fire emergency, because it is. If they don't come out swinging today and announcing that they're all-in on GCP for the long haul, it's…

e: nm :)

It’s an industry standard term: https://response.pagerduty.com/before/severity_levels/

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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> Existing customers can continue to use the current cloud services available today, which we’ll maintain with necessary security updates. No one said MS developed new services for years and years and years; they said they supported existing offerings for a long time, which they do.

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-is-discontinuing-the-germa... https://hackernoon.com/microsoft-announces-the-end-of-the-ge... https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/azure-docs/issues/14944 If you still don't believe me, please provide your public key or email address so I can publish a response. Maybe it doesn't stand out: Microsoft Germany delivered the promise that US authorities are technically unable to access stored…

This is precisely my point:

> Existing customers can continue to use the current cloud services available today.

> Existing customers are not affected by this and can continue to use the Germany cloud without restriction.

You don't see any Windows Phones being sold, but they still years later being supported with security updates.

No one can possibly fault a business for stopping continuing development of an unpopular offering. It's when it becomes unsupported and leaves people stranded that the the real problems happen.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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They put the guy that ran ORACLE'S CLOUD STRATEGY in charge of GCP. ORACLE'S. CLOUD. STRATEGY. Let's hire Thomas Kurian, bang up job on Fusion and ... oh wait, what do you mean with 'total failure'? Oracle bought Sun, it had the keys to be the third force against AWS and MSFT - and they totally blew it. Just an amazing fumble, worse than MSFT and smartphones.

I think the logic was a recognition of how badly Google sucks in enterprise. Therefore the goal was to hire someone who embodied "enterprise" albeit in all aspects.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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post #382

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I don’t think Google internally uses GCP. So a direct competitor would be whoever runs the “real” google cloud that all the internal stuff.

Wait, what? GCP isn't just the productization of their internal infrastructure?

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Google internally uses GCP. So a direct competitor would be whoever runs the “real” google cloud that all the internal stuff.

Wait, what? GCP isn't just the productization of their internal infrastructure?

No. Some parts but the OSS stuff released before was more in line with what the company uses. Google doesn’t require dogfooding of GCP.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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post #202

I'm surprised that the overall sentiment of the comments indicates that gcloud's offerings are inferior to aws / azure. I've worked with all of the clouds and have found Google to have the best product. Their GKE with built in Istio support is a killer feature. Spanner is best in class. Competitors do not provide a useable alternative to Firestore realtime database. Pizza Hut is the most popular pizza in the USA, doe…

Endorsed. If GCP goes away, I'll be sad to see it, because the tech itself is great. Google don't necessarily have to be the ones running it, maybe. Perhaps another bigcorp could acquire GCP from Google?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I have thought at times that HN was a place of rational, deep discussion. I cant understand where these types of endless emotional rantings come from. Everyone is going with a bigger hyperbole how "Google is killing GCP, they r so dum".

I can understand their ambitious plans, and naturally you decrease funding for a project if it keeps hemorrhaging money. It says the Google C-suite discussed the idea of leaving the market, as any rational person would do, but dismissed it. I think the way article describes these things is putting a whole of color on this.

But so what, Google thinks it can beat AWS and Azure? Well, it's good they have big goals. Such a heavy bet on their cloud business seems quite sensible, and while they mention cutting spending if they don't achieve those goals, I don't see it as a big of problem as people seem to think. I mean other cloud providers don't even have that amount of money to put into their cloud businesses' and no one is lamenting about that.

To me this whole debate should be about how impractical and out of touch with customers Google has become since.. I can't even recall. Maybe it's the algorithm-based engineer interviews but something's wrong with Google's internal workings. Google Analytics' dashboard is still terrible, I don't like even how Google Docs work, Youtube is I guess ok but they blundered the live-streaming et cetera. I've never used GCP but it always seemed a bit too over-designed and flashy and, well, not practical. On the other hand AWS's console, even though it is at times unintuitive it feels for some reason quite nice and practical. It's weird and subjective, I know.

Could it be that when I had my first touch with AWS I had been given a quite positive view of the whole service vs. I have quite negative prior feelings about other Google services that cloud my judgement. Who knows.

Yet still, perhaps Googlers at their fancy Mountain View office have become a bit too detached from the regular Joes working for their gray corporate masters who want nothing to do with their hipster dashboards and just want something simple that works. Maybe pride comes before a fall, like with Microsoft. Luckily for MSFT Nadella started to change their culture.

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