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Re: A Design for Death

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Post by jelliclesfarm » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 7:43 AM UTC

The taboo against euthanasia is mostly after the spread of abrahamic religions.

Throughout history of our world, there has always been ways to end one’s own life, their loved ones and those of enemies in battle ..and during times of famine and pestilence.

The ‘immortal soul’ that has to meet the monotheistic maker changed everything because euthanasia means banishing saved souls to hell and hence becoming unsaved.

Edited to add: perhaps after spread of xianity. The Old Testament begins with a sacrifice after all. I am not terribly familiar with details re religions..correct me if I am wrong?

Re: A Design for Death

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:18 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #16

I can't manage to read this. At one time, I likely would have taken the euthanasia option if it had been available to me. My life remains a living hell in some ways, but mostly for financial/social reasons. My physical suffering is substantially less. I can't begin to express both how very much I am for the right to die and how very much I know that, given an easy out, most people won't do the hard stuff. So somethin…

It's a sentiment that I share and is echoed by many disabled people. We're made to feel like we have no place in society. At some point euthanasia ceases being a choice when everyday the feeling that you shouldn't be alive is being reinforced.

Re: A Design for Death

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Post by DoreenMichele » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 9:57 PM UTC

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #42

DoreenMichele wrote: post #16

I can't manage to read this. At one time, I likely would have taken the euthanasia option if it had been available to me. My life remains a living hell in some ways, but mostly for financial/social reasons. My physical suffering is substantially less. I can't begin to express both how very much I am for the right to die and how very much I know that, given an easy out, most people won't do the hard stuff. So somethin…

It's a sentiment that I share and is echoed by many disabled people. We're made to feel like we have no place in society. At some point euthanasia ceases being a choice when everyday the feeling that you shouldn't be alive is being reinforced.

It's something I'm trying to do something about. I was homeless for years. I run a number of websites and am starting some Reddits to try to put out useful information.

Thank you for commenting. It means something to me.

Re: A Design for Death

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Post by S-E-P » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 8:20 AM UTC

nsomaru wrote: post #40

S-E-P wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re sense of “freedom” is kind of fucked. Don’t load questions like that, it’s painfully annoying. Anyway death is not freedom; what good is freedom when you aren’t around to enjoy it? Foolish notion

I salute anyone with the conviction to plan and take their own life. What other sovereignty does another human have save over their own life? Also your snark reveals some inherent metaphysical assumptions. They may or may not be wrong, but why assume we all hold them?

My snark more comes from years of trudging through some pretty horrible experiences as well as a slew of mental problems.

I live with trauma that I deal with on a daily basis. Paranoia for days and a lot of pain.

I dont salute those who take there own lives; I’ve thought about taking mine for a decade before giving up on the idea. If you mean something to someone; don’t take your life, it hurts them way more then it hurts you to go on living. You can’t help anyone if you are dead; it’s rather selfish.

Suicide is for assholes or cowards; I award no points, your life is precious, make it worth living.

Re: A Design for Death

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Post by vageli » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 11:35 PM UTC

ggm wrote: post #3

Nitschke's other (previous, drug perfusion) death machine was on display in MONA in Hobart. its an otherwise pedestrian installation of a suitcase sized box, and a bag on a stand, next to a chaise longue. I found it very confronting. Normalized but somehow not normal. He's a polarising figure. Saying something rational, but causing immense community disquiet when people come close to voting. (I believe he has the rig…

For anyone interested in the death machine mentioned, here is a link to an image and description: https://exitinternational.net/about-exit/installations/

Re: A Design for Death

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Post by ThrowawayP » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 5:56 PM UTC

S-E-P wrote: post #44

nsomaru wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I salute anyone with the conviction to plan and take their own life. What other sovereignty does another human have save over their own life? Also your snark reveals some inherent metaphysical assumptions. They may or may not be wrong, but why assume we all hold them?

My snark more comes from years of trudging through some pretty horrible experiences as well as a slew of mental problems. I live with trauma that I deal with on a daily basis. Paranoia for days and a lot of pain. I dont salute those who take there own lives; I’ve thought about taking mine for a decade before giving up on the idea. If you mean something to someone; don’t take your life, it hurts them way more then it…

Well, if you're going to be snarky about it, all I'll reply with is the famous Big Lebowski quote: "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, _your_ opinion, man."