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Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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Post by Gibbon1 » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 10:08 PM UTC

tehlike wrote: post #48

Gibbon1 wrote: post #38

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I keep coming back to parts of San Francisco are already over 60,000 people per square mile. People talk about more housing and talk zero about infrastructure. Want to pack more people in? Where the fuck are the subways?

People do not talk about zoning without infrastructure. it is implied.

Not my experience. The people that blame the city for enforcing existing zoning are the same that would get the vapors if you suggested the city raise taxes to run more buses and build subways.

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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Post by irq11 » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 7:28 PM UTC

Gibbon1 wrote: post #51

tehlike wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do not talk about zoning without infrastructure. it is implied.

Not my experience. The people that blame the city for enforcing existing zoning are the same that would get the vapors if you suggested the city raise taxes to run more buses and build subways.

Exactly. I’ve been saying for years that the key to greater density in SF is transit. Trying to force developers to build high density housing is pushing on a string; make the place desirable for commuters, and density will follow the demand.

HN’s average level of discourse on housing policy tends not to be particularly intelligent. Mostly folks who read the first chapter of their econ 101 textbook, then got bored.

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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Post by lsiebert » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 6:18 AM UTC

t-writescode wrote: post #50

lsiebert wrote: post #46

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Yeah Prop 13 passed when the state was much more republican leaning. Remember both Nixon and Reagan were from California and Schwarzenegger won the governor's race. Arguably the state only went democratic because anti immigrant efforts, particularly prop 187 in 94, pushed moderate latino and asian voters to vote democratic.

And yet they haven’t undone it, so the majority of the people actually in power must like it

There are costs to changing it, just like there are costs to rewriting an app in a new language. Only rewriting something from php to python 3 doesn't potentially leave senior citizens on fixed income homeless.

That doesn't mean people like it, or think it's not problematic, but there has to be an upgrade path that's viable.