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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Microsoft Azure: The cloud service that wont abruptly close out of nowhere with no transition plan leaving you stranded, and a service that actually comes with that thing you call when you need help and support. The marketing writes itself.

Mostly all you need to know about Microsoft's support lifecycle is that my Windows Mobile phone just got a security patch on Patch Tuesday, and apparently Microsoft also extended its support an extra month into January just because. Microsoft platforms most people think are long dead and buried still get maintenance updates years later.

Microsoft have plenty of platforms and products that were abandoned overnight. It’s hard for me to even think of Windows Phone, for example, without thinking of what happened to WP7 buyers when they abruptly pivoted their mobile OS/runtime strategy with the incompatible WP8. The most they got was a WP7.8 update that skinned the immediately-dead platform to look like the new one.

It’s a matter of visibility and what kind of customers own the products being shut down. From a PR perspective there’s a big difference between killing an enterprise product with few large customers, and killing a consumer product with many small ones. Even if the few complaints are louder, the many complaints around the latter would still totally drown it out. I’m sure they have analytics to know how many people still use Windows Phones and weighing the possibility of an outcry e.g. if all their unsupported phones got 0wned and they collectively took to Twitter about it.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I can't imagine a more damaging leak for Google Cloud. A company that's already notorious for abandoning projects now has a public date for when they'll abandon cloud. How could anyone in their right mind start building on GCP? They may as well shut it down today.

Stadia would probably crumble alongside GCP by necessity too, right?

Stadia runs on the edge, not in their cloud.

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> 1) The article. That only means that the team's head is on the chopping block. That's all. > 2) How Google treats all of its other "underperforming" products. This assertion is utterly absurd as you're describing the world's third largest cloud provider, and thus one of the dominant players, of being "underperforming" and justifying pulling the plug on a 8 billion-dolar a year business.

Google is far from the world’s “third largest provider” https://www.techrepublic.com/article/public-cloud-market-sha... As far as the manager “being on the chopping block” the article talks about “losing funding”. $8 billion in revenue means nothing. Is it profitable? This is the same company that left an entire city’s streets in disarray after abandoning Google Fiber. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2…

> Google is far from the world’s “third largest provider”

You're being a bit disingenuous. Your own source states quite clearly that Google is in the 3rd spot and arguably, if you cherry-pick results, you can place it in 4th.

By cherry-picked results I'm referring to posting 2018 results and ignoring how GCP's revenue doubled in the last 18 months, nearly matching Azure's revenue.

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I couldn't help but laugh out loud when I saw this headline on Twitter. It's just kisses fingers . So now that everyone knows they are waffling on whether to stay in the business (and have a deadline), Microsoft and Amazon just need to increase the competitive intensity for the next few years to drive Google out and instead of cloud computing being an oligopoly it'll be a duopoly. If you're a startup you should serio…

It's a punishing leak. Akin to publicizing the pull out dates of troops. Amazon and Microsoft will sit tight and enjoy their duopoly.

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If they're going aggressively for market share this could only mean one thing: price war. They've been running (and cost-optimizing) cloud services for much longer than Amazon or Microsoft, so they could actually make it _really_ painful for the other two players, and they know it. Most of all, they could undercut them on egress pricing. I'm all for it. The current pricing in all three clouds is nuts.

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These statements just made me remember a quote from Will ferrels movie. Ricky Bobby : Wait, Dad. Don't you remember the time you told me "If you ain't first, you're last"?

Reese Bobby : Huh? What are you talking about, Son?

Ricky Bobby : That day at school.

Reese Bobby : Oh hell, Son, I was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth... hell you can even be fifth.

Ricky Bobby : What? I've lived my whole life by that!

GCP is easy to use when compared to AWS according to me. I have used both the service providers. Starting with Firebase, Firebase hosting, App Engine, Compute Engine, GKE, BigQuery and monitoring via stackdriver. Everything just fits very well.

Number of people visiting their yearly Sessions are increasing and their training platforms(Qwiklabs & YouTube videos) are very much precise. Most of the issues are solved in Stackoverflow itself and you have Google groups for each products.

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Who's number 3? Who am I missing?

From what I have seen Alibaba cloud is #3. Don't forget that China is a huge market, and it is very hard for Western companies to be successful there. Alibaba has China government backing and that relationship is allowing them a lot of access in China

For example, AWS China and Azure Operated by 21Vianet (official name of Azure China) are operated independently by Chinese companies, and have incomplete integrations with the rest of their services, because of how hard Chinese govt compliance is. And GCP only has a location in Hong Kong, which means Chinese users can mostly access it but it's unreliable https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/migration/issues/649

This gives Alibaba a huge advantage domestically.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I couldn't help but laugh out loud when I saw this headline on Twitter. It's just kisses fingers . So now that everyone knows they are waffling on whether to stay in the business (and have a deadline), Microsoft and Amazon just need to increase the competitive intensity for the next few years to drive Google out and instead of cloud computing being an oligopoly it'll be a duopoly. If you're a startup you should serio…

It's a punishing leak. Akin to publicizing the pull out dates of troops. Amazon and Microsoft will sit tight and enjoy their duopoly.

Rest assured they will not sit tight but rush to get customers migrating off of the Google Cloud.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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post #261

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Mostly all you need to know about Microsoft's support lifecycle is that my Windows Mobile phone just got a security patch on Patch Tuesday, and apparently Microsoft also extended its support an extra month into January just because. Microsoft platforms most people think are long dead and buried still get maintenance updates years later.

Microsoft have plenty of platforms and products that were abandoned overnight. It’s hard for me to even think of Windows Phone, for example, without thinking of what happened to WP7 buyers when they abruptly pivoted their mobile OS/runtime strategy with the incompatible WP8. The most they got was a WP7.8 update that skinned the immediately-dead platform to look like the new one. It’s a matter of visibility and what k…

Windows Phone was like the opposite of Microsoft's strategy over the last several decades. They decided to move fast and break things like we're all told to do and they were roundly punished in the marketplace for it.
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