Climbing the Wealth Ladder
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Climbing the Wealth Ladder
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#2I'm not sure exactly what the article is trying to accomplish but it does feel in about the right ballpark for the levels. I don't think I'll ever get to the vacation one but simply paying last debt off really took a lot of weight off. Sure borrowing at low interest makes math sense but having a paid off house just feels good.
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#3I'm not sure exactly what the article is trying to accomplish but it does feel in about the right ballpark for the levels. I don't think I'll ever get to the vacation one but simply paying last debt off really took a lot of weight off. Sure borrowing at low interest makes math sense but having a paid off house just feels good.
I'm not so sure, personally.
The six levels:
Level 1. Paycheck-to-paycheck: You are conscious of every dollar you spend. This includes people with crippling debt.
Level 2. Grocery freedom: How much specific grocery items cost don’t impact your finances.
Level 3. Restaurant freedom: You eat what you want at restaurants regardless of the cost.
Level 4. Travel freedom: You travel when you want, how you want, and stay where you want.
Level 5. House freedom: You can afford your dream home.
Level 6. Philanthropic freedom: You can give away money that has a profound impact on others.
I give away money that has a profound impact on others (so I'm at #6).
But I can't afford my 'dream home' (#5) (I'm within an order of magnitude, I suppose).
And #4 doesn't even interest me (I actively don't _want_ to have a private jet or whatever).
I can take a holiday pretty much whenever I want, if that's what it's getting at? I think very few people actually travel "how they want".
I think this is based on a very narrow, 'hollywood star' style of lifestyle. You don't need to be stupidly rich to give 10% of your income or to take a sabbatical from work.
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#4The article completely ignores the last and most important level of wealth, which is being financial independent. Being able to pay for rent, food, healthcare etc. for the rest of your life without the need of a day job will probably have the biggest impact on your life.
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#5im presently reading Paul Fussells "Class" and this is a fascinating take on the idea in the age of wage stagnation.
>the best way to climb the wealth ladder is to spend money according to your level.
This is directly contradictory to, and detrimental to, how the US Economy expects its consumers to act. Credit has largely filled the gap of wages and productivity such that consumers now have no real sense of their level of real wealth, only that which is projected by their ostensible plastic card based opulence. The authors capstone to the article declares paradoxically at the end, "there is a lot more to life than saving money." so I suppose the siren call of conspicuous consumption remains a cornerstone of their life as well.
id also cynically argue that level 6, philanthropy, has less to do with having a profound impact on the world around you and more to do with dynasticism and displacement of the state as an agent of change or agency in society. people at this level of wealth have a need to extend their name to objects of gravity an institutions of permanence and prestige. They are so far removed from the society as a whole that any perceived generosity in the pursuit of a just and verdant society is merely a facade for tax evasion and self grandeur. They realize no meaningful other symbiosis or benefit from the society as a whole in which they are mistaken to be a part of.
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#6The article completely ignores the last and most important level of wealth, which is being financial independent. Being able to pay for rent, food, healthcare etc. for the rest of your life without the need of a day job will probably have the biggest impact on your life.
That's completely tangential to this article though. It depends on what your definition of that is, and some people handle it better than others. You see those people retiring on 500k (for a couple) and living in a van or something at one extreme. Then there's folks making 500k+/yr and somehow manage to spend most of it without saving any of it. Independence is a state of mind, not a dollar amount.
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#7This is similar to how I’ve thought about money for a while. Through high school, I had dollar problems. As in, things in the $1-9 range were pretty important. Through college I had $10 problems. Early career it become $100 problems. Now anything under $1000 just doesn’t strike me as an issue. New hot water heater? Just go buy it. $10k things however are what feel like real issues now- new roof? I can do it, but’s it’s gonna put some hurt on for a while if I didn’t see it coming. $100k problems (if I didn’t have insurance and had a major health problem) would crush me like a $1000 problem would when I was 18.
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#8I understand this isn't the point of the article, but it seems like a roundabout way of saying "don't overspend". This part in particular bothers me :
> More importantly though, the best way to climb the wealth ladder is to spend money according to your level.
As far as I (a non-economist) can personally tell, any notion of climbing up some abstract wealth ladder is synonym with a salary increase for the vast majority of people. Other methods, whether they involve quantity of free time or already-available money, are intrinsically tied to the quality of your job or, failing that, the quality of your parents' or partner's jobs.
Personal net worth, while definitely an important factor in this equation, is far less so than income in my opinion. A fiscally irresponsibly professional worker living from paycheck to paycheck has "grocery freedom" while a person with 10,000$ of accumulated wealth and no income whatsoever (let's say they are between jobs) is far more likely to buy the store brand margarine. Similarly, the former will most likely not achieve "travel freedom" without decades of hard work, of careful spending, of saving, investing, etc.
Simply put, no amount of "not carelessly booking flights" will turn you into Jay-Z, let alone into that small business owner across the street with the McMansion and the gaudy Christmas decorations. The undisputed "best way" to climb the wealth ladder is to receive large amounts of cash from some external source.
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#9I'm not sure exactly what the article is trying to accomplish but it does feel in about the right ballpark for the levels. I don't think I'll ever get to the vacation one but simply paying last debt off really took a lot of weight off. Sure borrowing at low interest makes math sense but having a paid off house just feels good.
I'm not so sure, personally. The six levels: Level 1. Paycheck-to-paycheck: You are conscious of every dollar you spend. This includes people with crippling debt. Level 2. Grocery freedom: How much specific grocery items cost don’t impact your finances. Level 3. Restaurant freedom: You eat what you want at restaurants regardless of the cost. Level 4. Travel freedom: You travel when you want, how you want, and stay wh…
> And #4 doesn't even interest me (I actively don't _want_ to have a private jet or whatever).
I don't believe his intent was "private jet" it was "you can pick first class without concern and you don't have to look at the hotel/rental home prices."
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#10The article completely ignores the last and most important level of wealth, which is being financial independent. Being able to pay for rent, food, healthcare etc. for the rest of your life without the need of a day job will probably have the biggest impact on your life.
It really isn't that simple, most people will start spending more if you bump them up this ladder which means that "for the rest of your life" probably wont be true for long.