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Can't they just rebrand the 737 max? Sort out their dodgy internal processes and add some new safety features. They've been repackaging old designs since the 60's anyway. Either that or they go all in on a new medium-range aircraft, the market is already disrupted in Airbus' favour.
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> Chinese-European duopoly Unlikely. The Chinese is currently competing with Embraer (E-Jet E2) and Bombardier (C-series/A22x) with the Comac C919 which has problems with production. Since its first flight in 2017, there has only been 5 built. Tech transfers has also slowed to trickle since the HSR fiasco with foreign rail technology absorbed and then re-exported. Nobody trusts the Chinese to play fair. What's more l…
The C919 is competing with the 737 and A320, and hasn't entered production yet. Are you mixing it up with the ARJ21?
Flying already evokes an illogical visceral fear in most humans. (Listen to the screams, and white knuckled grasps, during strong turbulence.) The 737 Max is likely dead, forever, for passenger traffic. There's just too much for every stakeholder, but Boeing, to lose. Most likely Boeing will need state help (like the auto company bailout) while it transitions to some new post-737-Max reality. The 737 Max rise and fal…
I have no problem at all with flying and do it regularly (as recently as yesterday, on a 737-800 no less) but I wouldn't set foot on a MAX, even if I was assured that the fault was fixed.
The big question is why they haven't done it already? Boeing's disconnect from reality is painful to watch.
I assume it is not just one or two months until it can fly again otherwise they wouldn't stop production. But if it is long time then life and people will go on. They will find other engagements and other things to do, they have to. Could and will they be able to throw away that other engagement they started to resume this operation? I bet not easily, not all. Airlines will need something to fly, they might look for other alternatives. Lots and lots of difficulties and loss, lots and lots of money and time to restart this. I believe.
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In a huge leap of naming they’ve named it the C929 with initial flights in 2025 and EIS planned for 2027. It’s cool to think they probably won’t hit those dates but pretending like a roadmap doesn’t even exist is not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRAIC_CR929
The CR929 is vaporware: they're not even planning to begin construction of the first prototype until 2021. Also, it's "CR" for "China/Russia", since this is meant to be a joint venture between COMAC and UAC (Sukhoi). Which sounds like a great recipe to delay everything even further. Also also, even if China does pull off the airframe, they'll still rely on Western jets to power it. China's first modern turbofan, the…
If you think of Airbus as a multi-national consortium (as it rightly is: French, British, etc.) then a Chinese/Russian hook-up is not totally daft. You could make the same argument about "a great recipe to delay everything even further" about Airbus versus Boeing and yet Airbus appears to be doing okay.
Don't we think competition is good? What happened to cheering on free markets? Why exactly do we want a Western duopoly to continue to exist in perpetuity? If Western countries believed their own rhetoric they'd be helping Russia and China to compete on the world stage – it would be a win for the entire globe.
You make it sound like 2030 is a lifetime away. It's only 10 years. It's been less than a century since the last huge global conflict and it looks like China and Russia will be toe-to-toe with the West (ignoring that Russia is already largely Western) in commercial aviation, space-flight, nuclear power, possibly semiconductor production, you name it.
The West does not have some God-given or divine-right to remain on top of the heap – China (and India) are going to eventually catch up, it's just a matter of time, the only thing up for debate in my mind is whether it's sooner rather than later, and I believe in China's case it's going to be upon us sooner than we expect.
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> lawsuits that are surely incoming are going to pile-drive this company into the ground Legally, everyone is indemnified up the wazoo. Strategically, airlines are in a worse position if Boeing goes under. Not only do they lose the planes on order. They also lose their service and replacement-parts provider. The survivors would, in the medium-term, face an Airbus monopoly and, in the long-term, a Chinese-European duo…
Didn't the US government already "manage" us into the McDonnell Douglas merger in the first place? "We're from the Government and we're here to help," indeed.
There are a lot of complaints about China's "State Owned Enterprises" taking advantage of their ties to the CCP and government.
Boeing/Lockheed/Raytheon etc are the same but with the pretense that they are public companies with shareholders that have a say in how the company is run.
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Indeed. Though personally I feel perhaps Boeing should be left to fail, I'm considering going long if the stock slides further in the short term because I anticipate some form of bailout/buyout.
> Indeed. Though personally I feel perhaps Boeing should be left to fail, I'm considering going long if the stock slides further in the short term because I anticipate some form of bailout/buyout. I don't want to see it wind down as a going concern, but I wouldn't mind a bankruptcy and seeing the executives and board of directors fired with their compensation clawed back.
The already perilous union jobs, with good benefits etc, in Seattle would be lost and there would be a race to the bottom by other states to claim the production facilities.
Flying already evokes an illogical visceral fear in most humans. (Listen to the screams, and white knuckled grasps, during strong turbulence.) The 737 Max is likely dead, forever, for passenger traffic. There's just too much for every stakeholder, but Boeing, to lose. Most likely Boeing will need state help (like the auto company bailout) while it transitions to some new post-737-Max reality. The 737 Max rise and fal…
calling it time travel
Flying already evokes an illogical visceral fear in most humans. (Listen to the screams, and white knuckled grasps, during strong turbulence.) The 737 Max is likely dead, forever, for passenger traffic. There's just too much for every stakeholder, but Boeing, to lose. Most likely Boeing will need state help (like the auto company bailout) while it transitions to some new post-737-Max reality. The 737 Max rise and fal…
Well there are still a lot of 737 Max around, I don't think they will all be written off? Maybe if passengers continue to avoid the plane. But this is also not the first time in history something like this happened, usually people forgot after some time. Or is it the broader media coverage this time around?
they could attempt rebranding the max and all the college aged people looking for deals might pile onto them indiscriminately
but I think a lot of people will notice. like if third party apps and website said Model B (Formerly 737 Max), then there is still high chance people will notice and demand something else.