United States to fund gun-violence research after 20-year freeze

Post by datashow » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 4:59 AM UTC

joshuamorton wrote: post #41

rayiner wrote: post #3

Gun violence research is a good example of how science can be skewed to make different political points. For example, one of the new tactics gun control advocates have adopted is lumping homicides and suicides together into “gun deaths” even though the policy implications of the two things are quite different. (Suicides accounting for the large majority of “gun deaths,” but bans on semi-automatic rifles and high capa…

I'm just going to note that in the responses, there are people saying that gun control advocates are abusing statistics when they ignore gang violence ("because it happens in high gun control areas") and when they include it ("because they can't tell the difference between a hand gun and assault rifle"), and of course it's not like you're being totally honest either: actual public health researchers who aren't some d…

Post by jki275 » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 5:01 AM UTC

robcohen wrote: post #38

brewdad wrote: post #25

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So we should be confiscating guns on one's 45th birthday? Probably not all that effective, but it's a start I guess.

Alternatively, you can just repeal the second amendment. I’m unsure why anti-gun advocates don’t just argue this. The constitution can be changed. Justice Stevens argued this in an op-ed: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opin...

Post by rayiner » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 5:03 AM UTC

kasey_junk wrote: post #28

dx87 wrote: post #18

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Another way I've seen statistics misused when advocating for gun control is bringing up the high number of "mass shootings" any time an event makes the news. The majority of "mass shootings" are gang violence, but gun control advocates will bring it up when there is a school/mall/etc. shooting to play on people's fears and make them believe that almost every day there is someone killing a bunch of kids in a school. I…

The vast majority of gun violence of all types, suicides, gang murders, mass shootings, domestic violence etc. are committed with hand guns. Hand gun ownership popularity is at a high in the US across many demographics. But assault rifle bans are the most popular form of gun control, probably because of the popularity of hand guns.

Post by Pinckney » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 5:03 AM UTC

Ididntdothis wrote: post #45

sigzero wrote: post #16

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Meaning what? The SCOTUS has ruled several times that the individual right to bear arms is separate from the "militia" statement and both are covered in the 2A.

Why is the phrase "well-regulated militia" in there then? Is it just fluff that can be ignored?

Post by datashow » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 5:06 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #35

sohkamyung wrote: post #13

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Quote from this website [1] ===== “Gun violence is America’s most preventable disease. I say that because it’s almost entirely preventable and the numbers of people affected are so high.” Judy Schaechter, MD, MBA University of Miami Leonard M. Miller School of Medicine ===== [1] https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/disease-gun-violence

You could say a similar thing about car accidents. Does that make car accidents a disease?