United States to fund gun-violence research after 20-year freeze

Post by virmundi » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 4:03 AM UTC

ryeights wrote: post #6

susijdjdjxa wrote: post #4

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I’m a little confused on your overall point here - are you saying that it’s only good to reduce gun homicides, not suicides?

> Suicides accounting for the large majority of “gun deaths,” but bans on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines will have little effect on suicides. Likely red flag laws as well. At the risk of sounding grim, if you're looking to commit suicide, a 12-gauge shotgun (very common for bird hunting) is probably your best bet. Nobody's looking to ban those.

Post by spamizbad » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 4:04 AM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #3

Gun violence research is a good example of how science can be skewed to make different political points. For example, one of the new tactics gun control advocates have adopted is lumping homicides and suicides together into “gun deaths” even though the policy implications of the two things are quite different. (Suicides accounting for the large majority of “gun deaths,” but bans on semi-automatic rifles and high capa…

Post by brewdad » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 4:14 AM UTC

robcohen wrote: post #19

minikites wrote: post #8

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>gun rights derive from the Constitution Many people conveniently leave out the "well regulated militia" part of the second amendment.

This is a horse that has been beaten to death. It’s well established what militia means. Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)

Post by vorpalhex » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 4:17 AM UTC

kasey_junk wrote: post #22

ryeights wrote: post #6

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> Suicides accounting for the large majority of “gun deaths,” but bans on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines will have little effect on suicides. Likely red flag laws as well. At the risk of sounding grim, if you're looking to commit suicide, a 12-gauge shotgun (very common for bird hunting) is probably your best bet. Nobody's looking to ban those.

It’s actually likely an inverse relationship to this. Suicides are more likely to be successful where guns are prevalent compared to where they are hard to get. Meanwhile homicides are rare so no matter what tool you have access to you can get it done. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/

Post by peter422 » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 4:21 AM UTC

dx87 wrote: post #18

rayiner wrote: post #3

Gun violence research is a good example of how science can be skewed to make different political points. For example, one of the new tactics gun control advocates have adopted is lumping homicides and suicides together into “gun deaths” even though the policy implications of the two things are quite different. (Suicides accounting for the large majority of “gun deaths,” but bans on semi-automatic rifles and high capa…

Another way I've seen statistics misused when advocating for gun control is bringing up the high number of "mass shootings" any time an event makes the news. The majority of "mass shootings" are gang violence, but gun control advocates will bring it up when there is a school/mall/etc. shooting to play on people's fears and make them believe that almost every day there is someone killing a bunch of kids in a school. I…