Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair • Hacker News Board

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by sokoloff » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 1:43 AM UTC

nwallin wrote: post #86

yobananaboy wrote: post #9

I'm shocked someone actually voted no. What would their justification for that vote be? Legit curious if they had a proper argument, didn't understand the issue, or if it was some type of corporate influence.

They might be running old equipment whose only electronic equipment is the spark plugs and headlights. The people who don't upgrade old equipment tend to fall very heavily in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" camp, and this applies equally to legislation as well as farm equipment.

If it's diesel, they won't even have spark plugs... (They'll have a starter motor and likely a generator/alternator, though for both gas and diesel.)

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by mattgrice » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 1:44 AM UTC

toomanybeersies wrote: post #215

cletus wrote: post #210

What many people may not realize is just how long-lived a lot of farm equipment is. There will be tractors out there still working that are 75 years old and just keep getting repaired. Obviously the manufacturers would like to sell those farmers tractors more often than that or, in the very least, generate a revenue stream from existing hardware and honestly that's what I see a lot of computing in vehicles as being:…

I've seen and used farm equipment and machine tools (lathes, mills, etc.) from the 40's and 50's that are still in good serviceable condition. I think it's been a long time since farmers cultivated their own seed though, even before roundup-resistant and GM crops were commonplace. It's a very different science and skill to growing crops.

Farmers definitely still cultivate their own seed, even in the West, for cereal crops like wheat, oats, rye, and rice where hybrid and GMO variants do not exist or are not competitive.

For these crops, it's not a very different skill. You just have to clean the seed and ideally test germination rates, though many farmers do not even do that.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by CamelCaseName » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 1:44 AM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #223

FactolSarin wrote: post #194

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Microsoft products get supported basically forever. But they're not cool/trendy.

Windows 7 is due to stop being updated very soon, all the while the only alternative is to downgrade into Windows 10.j sure don't call that "basically forever".

1. Windows 7 was supported with security updates for over 10 years (2009-2020). Second to only Windows XP (13 years)

2. They offered free upgrades to Windows 10 for a long time (a year?)

3. Replacement cycles for consumer desktops/laptops are short relative to OS cycles, with some internet stats saying ~5 years on average.

4. You can still run Windows 7, you just won't get security updates. You're free to repair it on your own... If you can.

5. Just because you buy an OS doesn't mean you buy lifetime support and updates.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by freehunter » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 1:54 AM UTC

cletus wrote: post #212

wishinghand wrote: post #209

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The market will bear it. Especially in the age of subsidized phones people didn’t mind the cost as much. This may change with $1000+ flagship phones.

This is the area where Apple now sucks, hard. Go back 5-10 years ago the the Macbook Air (not the original form ~2008 but the second one from 2010-2011) was an awesome piece of hardware. I mean it still had soldered RAM (I think?) and lacked upgradeability but it was cheap and good. Apple's current leadership didn't like this so we end up with useless features like the Touch Bar, which exist for one reason and one re…

> The last iPhone I bought was the 6S 4 years ago and I think it was $649 But now? The 11 Pro is $1000. WTF?

Ridiculous argument. Apple still makes a current-generation phone roughly on par with the price that you found acceptable. Just because they also added a more expensive mode does not in any way discount that fact.

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Post by freehunter » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 1:54 AM UTC

teawrecks wrote: post #218

cletus wrote: post #201

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So here is an area where Apple is significantly better than Android. The original Pixel is just over 3 years old and is now EOL for official releases. iOS 13 (current version) has minimum hadware of the iPhone 6S, released September 2015. That may only be a year but it will continue to receive iOS 13 updates for probably another year or so at least (rumour has it iOS 14 will be released late 2020 and no one yet knows…

I have to disagree wholeheartedly. The open source android community has kept my android phones going for years after google/the oem stopped supporting them. Meanwhile, everyone knows that if you update your iPhone to the latest version you run the risk of it running dramatically slower or with worse battery life. And there's no such thing as open source iOS. Apple is the king of planned obsolescence. Google isn't an…

Community support is not the same as vendor support.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by Semiapies » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 2:04 AM UTC

closetohome wrote: post #230

cletus wrote: post #210

What many people may not realize is just how long-lived a lot of farm equipment is. There will be tractors out there still working that are 75 years old and just keep getting repaired. Obviously the manufacturers would like to sell those farmers tractors more often than that or, in the very least, generate a revenue stream from existing hardware and honestly that's what I see a lot of computing in vehicles as being:…

The search for an ongoing revenue stream is one of the most destructive forces in the tech industry. It leads to some very customer-hostile experiences.

The problem is that not having a revenue stream is one of the most destructive forces to tech (or other) companies, and people like to keep their jobs.

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Post by jdsully » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 2:06 AM UTC

pgeorgi wrote: post #192

baroffoos wrote: post #188

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The problem is even though we can do this, the average user doesn't. They get the unsupported message and they then throw the laptop in the bin and buy the same thing again. All electronics makers should be required by law to supply security updates and spare parts for devices for at least 10 years after the point of sale (not after the release date). Another thing I think would have a big impact is requiring all con…

> All electronics makers should be required by law to supply security updates and spare parts for devices for at least 10 years after the point of sale (not after the release date). Let's start by requiring then that chip vendors sell and support their chips for at least that long? To stick to "10 years since introduction to market" which is a much easier requirement: 2009 was the year of AMD Phenom II (EOL 2012) and…

> Let's start by requiring then that chip vendors sell and support their chips for at least that long?

You should make laws as close to the desired effect as possible. The market will sort out the most efficient way to accomplish that. Manufacturers will start placing availability terms into their contracts or stockpile as necessary.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by JoBrad » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 2:11 AM UTC

jiqiren wrote: post #151

boredishBoi wrote: post #102

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Actually MacBooks get 6/7 years from when Apple stops selling them. In contrast, the timer starts as soon as the first Chromebook with that cpu is released. It was a nasty surprise when I found that out

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624 It's ~7 years of hardware parts availability. Software is around 7-10 years.

Made me laugh for some reason.

> Monster-branded Beats products are considered obsolete regardless of when they were purchased.

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Post by jay_kyburz » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 2:14 AM UTC

skinkestek wrote: post #176

jay_kyburz wrote: post #122

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I've often wondered if our government has some massive stores of grain somewhere to feed the nation for a few years in the event of a near total crop failure. Seems irresponsible not to have it. Update: I sometimes wonder what it would take for me to have a year of food in reserve here at home, but I worry that its just the crazy Prepper in me trying to come out.

> but I worry that its just the Prepper in me trying to come out. Fixed it for you :-) There's nothing crazy with a little prepping, is it? Many of the practices are even recommended around here (stock up on food with long shelf life, keep clean water around, some iodine, a battery powered radio etc)

I don't know why you were downvoted. A little prepping makes sense to me.

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Post by p1necone » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 2:17 AM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #234

cletus wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the area where Apple now sucks, hard. Go back 5-10 years ago the the Macbook Air (not the original form ~2008 but the second one from 2010-2011) was an awesome piece of hardware. I mean it still had soldered RAM (I think?) and lacked upgradeability but it was cheap and good. Apple's current leadership didn't like this so we end up with useless features like the Touch Bar, which exist for one reason and one re…

> The last iPhone I bought was the 6S 4 years ago and I think it was $649 But now? The 11 Pro is $1000. WTF? Ridiculous argument. Apple still makes a current-generation phone roughly on par with the price that you found acceptable. Just because they also added a more expensive mode does not in any way discount that fact.

I don't think this is true, Apple has definitely been raising prices significantly in the last few years even on the cheapest models. Unless you're counting still being able to buy a generation or two behind for cheaper as "current generation"

Edit: this article has a nice chart https://www.gsmarena.com/price_history_of_apples_iphones-new...

There's a couple of blips with the 5c and the SE but for the most part even the "budget models" are more expensive than the flagships of old, and the flagships are significantly more expensive.

I'm curious how long they can continue this and still sell phones. I wonder if prices being spread out along 24 month contracts with carriers is what's protecting their sales despite the price rises.