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California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
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Re: California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
#12I wonder if instead of desalination plants, there exists "de-acidification" plants that can in turn use the acid for electricity generation or something like that? Whenever I see these articles, unfortunately my first thought is "we're too far gone, we can't turn around now" in terms of climate change. But! I think that instead of trying to reverse the situation (for instance, by convincing the largest carbon emitter…
Trouble is, rising acidity at alarming rates is still only a 0.21 decline in pH over a 100 year period. Whilst that might be more than enough to upset no end of shelled animals and other issues. A de-acidifcation plant faces the same issue as carbon capture and storage away from the huge emitters -- you're going to have to process a colossal volume to capture enough of the pollutant you're removing.
While we're at it, how much overhead do we add to global power requirements for all these de-acidification plants, desalination plants and CCS contraptions? How about we stop pouring it in the top and just fucking decarbonise, and leave all those tar sands alone... :)
Re: California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
#13California oceans? Does it have more than one?
I think it's pretty common to refer to a single body of water in plural form. Probably because it's so massive or maybe just due to the nature of liquid. For example: sailing the waters; a ship got caught in the stormy seas; etc.
Not in this case. You can pull that trick when the object is general, and it applies to more than just bodies of water. In this case, we’re talking about the Pacific Ocean, which is California’s ocean (of which there is only one ;) ).
Re: California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
#14California oceans? Does it have more than one?
Yeah the original title mentions "coastal waters" which is clearly the correct term, not sure why you're getting downvoted.
Re: California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
#15Obviously, as the ships from China have been spewing their emissions directly into the oceans, it's natural for acidity to rise.
Ever wonder where the smoke stacks are? They're underwater, the exhaust goes directly into the sea.
Smart, eh?
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#16What’s the counter point to this?
Re: California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
#17California oceans? Does it have more than one?
I think it's pretty common to refer to a single body of water in plural form. Probably because it's so massive or maybe just due to the nature of liquid. For example: sailing the waters; a ship got caught in the stormy seas; etc.
Bodies of water like lakes yes. Stormy seas would refer to the state of the sea (i.e. wavy, amount of unrest). An ocean is always an ocean and California is only connected to one of those. Coastal waters is clearly the correct term as they didn't do measurements across the whole Pacific (didn't read the source articles linked though), only around the coastline of California.
So either "California coast" or rather "California coastal waters", since the article is talking about the watery part of the coast, not the "landy" part.
Re: California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
#18California oceans? Does it have more than one?
Don’t forget the Salton Sea. Never forget.
Re: California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
#19What’s the counter point to this?
How can there be a counterpoint to a scientific measurement? It either is or isn’t more acidic.
Re: California oceans rising in acidity at alarming rate, study finds
#20I wonder if instead of desalination plants, there exists "de-acidification" plants that can in turn use the acid for electricity generation or something like that? Whenever I see these articles, unfortunately my first thought is "we're too far gone, we can't turn around now" in terms of climate change. But! I think that instead of trying to reverse the situation (for instance, by convincing the largest carbon emitter…
>Our best hope it to adapt to the new norm rather than fight a losing battle.
The next stage in climate denialism is climate nihilism: thinking that it's too late now to do anything to directly confront the problem so why bother. All it does is protect and entrench existing extractive interests. We can accomplish amazing things (landing on the moon, overthrowing the nazis and winning WW2) when we align our society and focus the right incentives.
Anything we do to adapt along the margins won't mitigate the next great mass of people opening the spigot on high carbon lifestyles. Political systems will buckle under the weight of human migration away from the vulnerable coasts[1] and once-fertile land now too chaotic to farm[2]. We need to fund and develop the next wave of low-carbon tech to make it good enough and cheap enough to satisfy people's needs now, not piddle around looking for ways to monetize the fall.
1. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12808-z
2. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-28/crazy-mid...