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Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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One side effect of the growth of Amazon is the replacement of "decent" jobs with absolutely soul sucking ones. In the early 2000's I knew people that worked as delivery drivers for UPS or FedEx and it was a decent job. They seemed happy. Now I see the Amazon delivery people, and they look majorly stressed out as if they are on the edge of collapse. Many times they are delivering things at 10pm desperately trying to m…

Amazon needs to add a "Deliver next week, given them a break" instead of the $1 it offers me which I never use anyways.

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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These days I explicitly order items with a later delivery date (usually an amazon suggested 'amazon delivery day'). The good thing about this that I get to claim/reserve a limited-sale item, but at the same time have the luxury of re-considering my choice on the impulse-buy one or two more days before the item is shipped.

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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One side effect of the growth of Amazon is the replacement of "decent" jobs with absolutely soul sucking ones. In the early 2000's I knew people that worked as delivery drivers for UPS or FedEx and it was a decent job. They seemed happy. Now I see the Amazon delivery people, and they look majorly stressed out as if they are on the edge of collapse. Many times they are delivering things at 10pm desperately trying to m…

>Now I see the Amazon delivery people, and they look majorly stressed out as if they are on the edge of collapse. Many times they are delivering things at 10pm desperately trying to meet their quotas. Even UPS sounds.. not great. I have a friend who's a delivery driver for UPS and especially this time of year he has days where his truck is loaded with 250-300 parcels and they're basically all supposed to be delivered…

RE: UPS - The hours aren't bad. You get overtime past 40 and are generally glad when it happens. If you work at a normal pace you won't get into trouble for productivity with your boss, and you're never at risk of making less money because you're not productive enough. UPS guarantees you a certain number of hours so you don't get trapped committing to a job that ends up only giving you 20/wk

What sucks about the job is how brainless and repetitive delivering packages is. It is nice that everyone is typically happy to see you, but conversations typically don't get very far past "hello" and "goodbye"

I don't know what it's like working for Amazon, but if it's typical gig economy BS, they are getting shafted by hidden costs and have bad incentives to make rushed and sloppy deliveries while overburdening themselves

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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The number of Amazon packages that are prematurely marked as delivered has skyrocketed lately. When I have inquired about it via chat I have been told that this is common and I will probably receive the package later today or tomorrow. Does this happen to there people? I'm going to start fire paying attention to how these are shipped and if it's via Amazon versus USPS/FedEx.

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, Amazon does not own all of the delivery infrastructure, though they certainly own some of it. https://logistics.amazon.com - you too can work 7 days a week for whatever peanuts Amazon decides to throw at you, all while 'owning your own business' that is totally and completely dependent on Amazon and the success of Amazon.

And doing and performing exactly as Amazon demands.

That's the biggest middle finger in workers' faces I've seen: the re-appropriation of "be your own boss" rhetoric where in actuality you are under a very specific contract and "flexibility" is replaced by race-to-the-bottom exploitation.

Rideshare and food delivery gig companies are the worst offenders.

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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One side effect of the growth of Amazon is the replacement of "decent" jobs with absolutely soul sucking ones. In the early 2000's I knew people that worked as delivery drivers for UPS or FedEx and it was a decent job. They seemed happy. Now I see the Amazon delivery people, and they look majorly stressed out as if they are on the edge of collapse. Many times they are delivering things at 10pm desperately trying to m…

Stop buying stuff online and start buying from locals.

The problem with this is that while it is easy to see that the success of large corporations with practices we disagree with creates the problem, it is harder to see how us stopping our support helps fix them.

I boycotted Amazon for the better part of a decade over the one-click patent. Result: they lost some amount of money they didn't notice, I lost out on all the convenience and options. They changed nothing I was boycotting about.

I boycotted Blizzard over the bnetd response for 5-10 years. Result: They lost out on me buying Warcraft 3. I lost out on playing WC3, on the related social activities, on being part of DOTA being born, etc. They changed nothing I was boycotting about.

I revisited the boycott on blizzard after the Hong Kong mess, but this time I said I'd time box it if nothing seemed to be changing.

Is this cynicism? My unwillingness top accept some minor inconveniences to be part of a group trying to prevent human abuse? Should I care that my efforts are unsuccessful if they are nonetheless the right thing to do?

Maybe I shouldn't care about sacrificing but failing, but I do. And not just because I don't want the inconvenience, but because I want the problems to be fixed. Stopping the spread of soul-crushing (and in the case of warehouses at least, body-crushing) labor is GOOD, and way more important than promoting technological equality. I want success at this!

If I'm making life harder and doing nothing to actually stop that, I want to shift my sacrifices to a more successful area.

I just have no idea how. Right now my options are: Suffer a little without helping those that suffer a lot, or don't suffer while still not helping those that suffer a lot.

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

#47

One side effect of the growth of Amazon is the replacement of "decent" jobs with absolutely soul sucking ones. In the early 2000's I knew people that worked as delivery drivers for UPS or FedEx and it was a decent job. They seemed happy. Now I see the Amazon delivery people, and they look majorly stressed out as if they are on the edge of collapse. Many times they are delivering things at 10pm desperately trying to m…

It is a race to the bottom with one man having more wealth than 20 million Americans. Amazon delivery folk, and warehouse folk, need to unionize and demand better wages and working conditions.

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

#48

One side effect of the growth of Amazon is the replacement of "decent" jobs with absolutely soul sucking ones. In the early 2000's I knew people that worked as delivery drivers for UPS or FedEx and it was a decent job. They seemed happy. Now I see the Amazon delivery people, and they look majorly stressed out as if they are on the edge of collapse. Many times they are delivering things at 10pm desperately trying to m…

>It seems the "decent" jobs are going away, replaced by ones that turn workers into robots to better extract value from their labor. We are in a (or entering a) transitionary period where said workers are soon to be literally replaced by robots. The current market expects robot-like efficiency from these jobs, but the robots aren't ready to fully take over yet, which means people get stuck filling the gap with jobs t…

There is a simple macro view I don't see mentioned much: For the economics, in a word, the robots are deflationary. Usually in deflation people lose jobs.

Then there is the old remark IIRC "deflation is the easiest problem in the world to solve -- just print money."

It may be that the current pair of low interest rates and low inflation are just from such money printing for just such deflation.

Then with the low interest rates, businesses can afford to borrow to do the R&D for the (more) robots.

Also generally with the money printing, there is more money sloshing around which tends to result in more hiring, more jobs, and lower unemployment, and sometimes even training new workers.

So we've got five together: (i) More automation (robots, computing, the Internet), (ii) low interest rates, (iii) low inflation rates, (iv) high stock market, and (v) low unemployment rates. With tariffs and trade deals, we may have more jobs for low skilled workers.

I'd like to know in more clear terms just what Amazon is using cargo planes for: The usual idea is to use boats and trucks to move products to a retailer's warehouse and then use something like FedEx, UPS, or USPS from the warehouse to the end of the last mile.

A guess: Amazon wants a warehouse in each major city, maybe 100 - 200 in the US. From each such warehouse, they deliver to the end of the last mile by small trucks. For the popular items, they stock these warehouses via trucks. Then they also have a huge central warehouse, stocked by truck, that has all the rare items and each day have their planes fly at night moving the rare stuff that has just been ordered to the city warehouses for delivery by truck during daylight. Maybe.

Amazon needed a lot of computing for their Web site so setup their server farm(s) and also provided such computing to anyone via AWS. Well, Amazon needs lots of warehousing and small truck delivery so maybe wants to provide that to every other business that needs warehousing and small truck delivery.

In some cases there're big efficiencies there: E.g., for a lot of items, it comes out of the factory for, say, 10 cents but the consumer pays maybe $2. The $1.90 goes for advertising, order taking, warehousing, shipping, payment, and some earnings. Well, Amazon can save a big chunk of the $1.90 which for the US, and much of the world, would be one heck of a big increase in economic productivity and a lot of deflation needing still more money printing! My guesses!

For more, why do people need private cars? Sure: A big reason is for shopping, e.g., getting groceries. Well, do warehousing and small truck delivery well enough and can replace a lot of the need for private cars, even for refrigerated grocery items, milk, butter, cream, eggs, lettuce, ready to bake pizza, and maybe even ice cream!

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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One side effect of the growth of Amazon is the replacement of "decent" jobs with absolutely soul sucking ones. In the early 2000's I knew people that worked as delivery drivers for UPS or FedEx and it was a decent job. They seemed happy. Now I see the Amazon delivery people, and they look majorly stressed out as if they are on the edge of collapse. Many times they are delivering things at 10pm desperately trying to m…

>It seems the "decent" jobs are going away, replaced by ones that turn workers into robots to better extract value from their labor. We are in a (or entering a) transitionary period where said workers are soon to be literally replaced by robots. The current market expects robot-like efficiency from these jobs, but the robots aren't ready to fully take over yet, which means people get stuck filling the gap with jobs t…

Well we have gone through times when workers were mistreated; the start of the industrial revolution. It took our grandparents a lot of pain to get the legal protections many workers take for granted. Protections that have been consistently eroded.

Society's creation is a pie, and what % of GDP goes to labor vs capital classes is not fixed. It fluxes and wanes. Over the last 50 years labor's percentage of GDP has fallen consistently.

There are a number of objective measures that support this idea, none of them are perfect, but they tend to show a clear trend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_share

Re: Amazon is now delivering half its own packages, rivaling FedEx and UPS

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I'm just happy because 9 times out of 10 USPS would mark my stuff as delivered and then deliver it the next day. I have yet to have an Amazon delivery go bad besides when they try to deliver to my work after 5pm. I recognize people have huge issues with amazon delivery drivers but my experience has been better than USPS.

Last week the USPS driver was clearly running behind on his route (which is fine), but then decided to mark my package as "could not access delivery location". Which is funny because: 1. USPS is the only carrier that has direct access into my building (because that's where the mailboxes are) 2. I was home all day and there was definitely no delivery attempt I'm guessing they have SLAs in place with Amazon that penali…

This happens to us weekly.

We simply don't get mail at least one day a week, maybe two.

Packages are marked as undeliverable. But then they show up a few days later.

I've asked around and have heard that mailmen (mailpeople?) in my city just don't finish their routes everyday.

If that's because they're understaffed or too busy due to Amazon or just lazy is up for debate.

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