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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

Try SmartGit. I don't know how it compares with Tower, but it is very powerful and easy to use. I like the way it integrates Git features into a consistent view. For example, stashes and reflog commits can be viewed and manipulated in the same log view as any other commits. They offer both purchase and subscription models, and a free license for open source work. Runs on Mac, Windows and Linux. I've been using it for…

I switched from smartgit to fork. Fork is really nice to use and very keyboard driven. Also free.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Intuit Quickooks is same way. Hasn’t substantively changed in 20 years but they stop you from importing new data if you don’t update to latest every 3 years. They need some real competition.

> They need some real competition. Have you tried Xero? I haven’t, but if you have, I’d be curious to hear your take on it.

We run our company on Xero, it's pretty good!

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

my friend had a good sticker on his laptop. “typing is not the bottleneck” you may be more productive editing code in vim but when it comes to engineering text editing is not the most important thing to be solving for

Of course. I don't even know if I'm actually more productive in editing text.

I just know that subjectively, going from speaking a language with powerful concepts, to using the super crude tools available in most editors, just feels sluggish.

I highly doubt it was actually a good investment time wise to master vim, but I salary really enjoy messing with editors so it was partially for fun.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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> Whataboutism

The argument here is that USA cannot claim moral high ground when USA is actively committing the same act. Blindly claiming whataboutism without even attempting to refute this argument and is, therefore, a form of intellectual dishonesty.

> This is not a court of law, so that's kind of irrelevant.

It is important to make reasonable arguments in defense of your claims even outside courts of law.

> On the other hand, Russian nationalists and apologists of Russian politics are sometimes criticised for using allegations of "Russophobia" as a form of propaganda to counter criticism of Russia.

This is neither here nor there. This whole argument is inconclusive.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I found P4 Merge to be totally inscrutable, could you elaborate on what makes it so good?

I suggest using SourceGear DiffMerge for resolving conflicts. Best 3-way merge conflict handling tool I've tried: https://sourcegear.com/diffmerge/

Better than Meld?

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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At least some of Jetbrains' offerings are open source. If you have security concerns, you may be able to alleviate some of them by your own examination. I'd also encourage you to consider separating your concerns about the Russian government and individuals living in Russia, just as you might other governments and their citizenry.

> I'd also encourage you to consider separating your concerns about the Russian government and individuals living in Russia, just as you might other governments and their citizenry. That's a big ask, because the Russian government's relationship with its citizenry is very different from the relationship of a free country's government with its citizens. Namely, I am confident that there is substantially zero risk that…

> zero risk that my country might compel me through extra-legal channels to modify my work product

I assume therefore, that you must not be Australian [1]

[1] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/12/new_australia...?

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I wasn't really clear on licensing back then and it looks like I had a few GPL headers in the source. EDIT: it was clearer than I thought - v0.4 [1] has an explicit GPL 2.0 COPYING.txt in the root. [1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/nprof/files/OldFiles/nprof-...

GPL is GPL. If their thing isn't, they are in violation. They now have deep pockets. For anything that had no license spelled out, they had and have no license to use it at all. To be clear: they appear to have no license to distribute your code today, and owe you damages for all the distribution they have done thus far that was not licensed.

To add, if they are still selling it today then it may reset any statue of limitations. I would recommend that you talk to a lawyer, and get them to draft Jetbrains a letter.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Jetbrains products are awesome though. I used to use a heavily customized vim which was a pretty good setup, but the things a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do. I pay for a personal subscription and couldn't be happier. I will recommend everyone to atleast give their products a try. They have a free trial period.

I'm also a big of of their products, and pay for a persnal subscription for Rider, ReSharper, DotMemory, DotTrace and DotCover. Rider is absolutely stuffed with features, and is way more stable and performant than Visual Studio. I also like the way your renewal gets cheaper every year, as a kind of loyalty bonus. I honestly had no idea they were making so much revenue - very pleased to see it though!

does Rider have Edit and Continue now? That's the one selling point that keeps me on Visual Studio.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I don't think a lot of the steps listed in your first example are as painful as you make them about to be. Most of those steps are just as elementary as clicking a button in a GUI to someone with fluency on the CLI. I also doubt the claims that it's that much faster for someone with a lot of experience doing it. Perhaps you could be faster with the GUI than on the CLI, but learning a GUI doesn't come with zero overhe…

> I don't think a lot of the steps listed in your first example are as painful as you make them about to be. Most of those steps are just as elementary as clicking a button in a GUI to someone with fluency on the CLI. I also doubt the claims that it's that much faster for someone with a lot of experience doing it. I mean, it's not like you can ever convince me that >10 keystrokes are as fast as 1 click, but regardles…

Yeah, if you consider my arguments to be strawmen, then using a VCS GUI for the narrow use case of tracking down diffs might save you a solid few minutes. That just feels like a drop in the bucket compared to the overall time spent developing. YMMV I guess, depending on what organization/codebase you are working on.
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