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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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This is a great tip! I had no idea. Free beta (alpha?) builds: https://www.jetbrains.com/resources/eap/

I can't figure out how to download the IntelliJ EAP. Everything seems to direct to the standard Commercial/Community IntelliJ download page. Anybody have a link?

Try: https://confluence.jetbrains.com/display/IDEADEV/IDEA+2019.3...

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I think you missed the part that said "without checking out any files"?

Why would checking out files matter? What exactly do you think the GUI is doing underneath the hood?

Because it messes with your work tree. See here for a longer response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21800524

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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That Cold War mentality is getting old already. The world has a lot more to gain if we drop the "my approach is superior" in the process. Russia and China is not filled with demons, and much of the same things they are being acused of can be said of the US, from severe human rights violations in Guantanamo, migrant populations and pretty much being involved in almost every war out there while destabilizing countries…

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Which products do you buy that come from a country that doesn't marginalize some group?

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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> And we know that the head of that country is at best a violent and evil man, and so is an entity to be feared by those whose interests are misaligned with his. I’m not quite sure which country you were talking about? While I agree with your general point, it just occurred to me that that could be applied to both leaders. It’s the country and the structure of that country that is different (e.g. leaders will change,…

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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git log | grep -- find the hash of the one I want. or git log > file and look at it in an editor. no need to change the tools just for this unusual action. I understand that YMMV -- de gustibus non disputandum est -- but I have ever understood the appeal of GUI tools especially for something like git. I do use magit, but even then I do most manipulation with the command line interface

> git log | grep -- find the hash of the one I want. This misses the point of the problem -- the point is you don't know precisely what string to grep for. > or git log > file and look at it in an editor. no need to change the tools just for this unusual action. I mean, nobody said this 1 reason should be enough to make you switch tools? I was just giving an example. And no, it's not "unusual" just because you say so…

I don't think a lot of the steps listed in your first example are as painful as you make them about to be. Most of those steps are just as elementary as clicking a button in a GUI to someone with fluency on the CLI. I also doubt the claims that it's that much faster for someone with a lot of experience doing it.

Perhaps you could be faster with the GUI than on the CLI, but learning a GUI doesn't come with zero overhead: you have to understand it's terminology, how it's configuration works, what its icons and symbols mean. Particularly when it comes to VCS management, GUI's like to simplify sometimes complicated or nuanced VCS behavior and you can't really be sure what is being done to your repo until you've pressed the button and done it. Not to mention you are now investing time learning a program that can be abandoned at any time and leave you without the basic knowledge necessary to manage your repo (not saying this would affect you this way, but it could certainly be a reason to not learn it in the first place).

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I also switched from Tower when they introduced subscription pricing. My current git setup: - Git Fork for committing, pushing - P4 Merge for resolving conflicts (it's not a pretty app, but the fantastic feature set more than makes up for the non-native look) - GitUp for reordering, editing and splitting commits - Command line for the rare things the GUIs can't do None of those cost money and I don't understand how t…

I found P4 Merge to be totally inscrutable, could you elaborate on what makes it so good?

I suggest using SourceGear DiffMerge for resolving conflicts. Best 3-way merge conflict handling tool I've tried:

https://sourcegear.com/diffmerge/

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

I always found Jetbrains + vim plugin to be unparalleled. A good friend swears by spacemacs but that’s a different ballgame.

I use jetbrains and "emacs" key bindings.

Its not perfect but its good enough for moving around and copy/paste.

I occationally go back to emacs to macro some data into different formats.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I agree with many of the other posters: JetBrains has succeeded because their products are generally awesome, and I am a happy personal subscriber. People should especially remember what the Java IDE landscape looked like when they first came out with IntelliJ: using IntelliJ after using NetBeans or Eclipse was like using Google for the first time after being familiar with AltaVista - it was just a night and day bett…

>I'm sure the much lower salaries in Prague allowed them to be more competitive with a lower burn rate It's a russian company with the most people (especially engineers) in St. Petersburg. It's only technically registered in Prague. They have only 50 people there. And around a thousand people distributed across Russia (St. Petersburg, Moscow, Novosibirsk), Munich, Boston and brand new office in Amsterdam.

Prague is mostly sales. Although, some engineers wanted to live there so they do. SPb is the main engineering office. Munich is somewhat smaller, but has more high profile employees. Moscow is like 20 people who need to live in Moscow.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

I switched from SourceTree to Fork, which is awesome for me. Check it out.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I agree with many of the other posters: JetBrains has succeeded because their products are generally awesome, and I am a happy personal subscriber. People should especially remember what the Java IDE landscape looked like when they first came out with IntelliJ: using IntelliJ after using NetBeans or Eclipse was like using Google for the first time after being familiar with AltaVista - it was just a night and day bett…

Which is a pretty strong vote for building your company somewhere with lower salaries and lower cost of living. There are a LOT of great engineers in places other than SV, Austin, Boston, etc.

I'd say it's a strong vote for building an actual product people want, which SV startups seem to struggle with.
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