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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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for a new person, it's almost impossible to get anything done with git command line

You could say that about any tool, of course you have to spend some time to understand how to use it safely and effectively. 'for a new person, it's almost impossible to get anything done with a table saw'

do people say, "a table saw is simple and intuitive"?

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

That's an absolutely brilliant pricing model. I love it.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm really curious - why do people want a graphical git client? The command line exposes everything, and the model is simple and intuitive. I work in a very large monorepo, so it's not like I'm working in a git tree that isn't complicated.

> the model is simple and intuitive I nearly spat out my drink. Git is many things but those aren't the first two words that would leap into my head.

The model is relatively simple, but the UI is a disaster.

Which is exactly why people want better clients than the official git cli client.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

Totally agree. I thought Adobe's offer would be just as good until I cancelled early and got bit in the arse. I basically paid more money to cancel than what I would have paid if I left the sub open, and of course I lost access once I did cancel. Total asshole design there.

I go back to JetBrains and now I basically have to use their IDE because my company does, and it's not very easy to get the same kind of experience with Java with Vim or Emacs.

I'm using CLion to help me learn C++ because it knows C++ better than I do (and on a Mac I'm not using Xcode for writing C++, only building it). For £10-£20 a month, that is discounted every 12 months, with full ownership of the last version you had... it's great. They seem to handle it a lot better than Sketch as well, who will force you to find the download page for old versions. IntelliJ just seems to give you what your license allows.

I'd still go back to emacs in a pinch but I'm not proficient enough with C++ or Java and those ecosystems to know how to set my environment up.

JetBrains seem to have a pretty fair and solid strategy and it must be doing well enough for them to expand their IDE-base so far.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

Interesting... the problem with this model is that investors / the market value SaaS revenue way higher than revenue from perpetual licenses, for a variety of reasons. Although I guess that doesn't matter when you're not raising or public :)

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

I also switched from Tower when they introduced subscription pricing.

My current git setup:

- Git Fork for committing, pushing

- P4 Merge for resolving conflicts (it's not a pretty app, but the fantastic feature set more than makes up for the non-native look)

- GitUp for reordering, editing and splitting commits

- Command line for the rare things the GUIs can't do

None of those cost money and I don't understand how these awesome apps are all free. I would pay for all of them, they are much better than Tower.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also Fork: https://git-fork.com/

I'm really curious - why do people want a graphical git client? The command line exposes everything, and the model is simple and intuitive. I work in a very large monorepo, so it's not like I'm working in a git tree that isn't complicated.

Say you want to find a commit that occurred around June three years ago, and look at what the repo looked like after that commit -- without checking out any files. How do you currently do it?

For me, I just Right click -> TortoiseGit -> Show Log -> scroll -> Right-click -> Browse Repository.

How long does it take you? For me it takes < 10 seconds (I just timed myself).

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

This is incorrect. Lots of people believe this but it just isn't true. When your one-year subscription expires you actually have a perpetual license for the first version that was available when you signed up. NOT for the last one available when the contract ended. In other words, when your one year subscription is up, you have to downgrade to a one year-old (possibly buggy) version. For more mature toolchains like C…

> For ones that undergo massive updates each version (WebStorm, AppCode) it's a non-starter

At least you should still be able to open up old projects.

If you use Adobe Creative Cloud, and you stop paying, do you lose access to all your data?

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Jetbrains products are awesome though. I used to use a heavily customized vim which was a pretty good setup, but the things a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do. I pay for a personal subscription and couldn't be happier. I will recommend everyone to atleast give their products a try. They have a free trial period.

Let me blow your mind: ideaVim[1] is an official extension that enables vim like behaviour inside JetBrain editors - you can have best of both worlds!

[1] - https://github.com/JetBrains/ideavim

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