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WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

#61
Does anyone have recommendations for good resources to learn about video editing? Perhaps something specifically geared towards YouTube. I have some videos I want to publish and would like them to seem at least somewhat well-produced.

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#62

Note: I don't know anything about games or livestreaming. This is a genuine question about something that confuses me. Can someone explain why livestreamers can claim their stream as their own original content, but reuploaders can't? I mean, someone who livestreams a game is primarily showing off the artwork and level design and everything put in by the game company. There's like 90% derived content plus 10% original…

> But still, why does the livestreamer get to own the content, and not the reuploader?

The answer is that it is arguable that a livestreamer does not own the game content, and the game publisher absolutely could do a DMCA takedown request against people playing their games.

Game companies are generally fine with people who are streaming their content, though, and streamers are generally not fine with a re-uploader using it.

Therefore the re-uploader doesn't have permission for the content, and the streamer does have permission.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

#63

Does anyone have recommendations for good resources to learn about video editing? Perhaps something specifically geared towards YouTube. I have some videos I want to publish and would like them to seem at least somewhat well-produced.

Buy some software and start playing with it, then try to mimic the feel (length of cuts, length of or absence of fades, lighting style, sound levels and EQ, etc.) of a show you like.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

#64
post #3

Asmongold made a good move. I follow his stream since 2017 and it's one of the best. He did something interesting that no one (companies, individuals) normally does: he has let several of his fans create their own videos using his image, something unthinkable for today's brands that just for the sake of mentioning them already take you down the content. When these fans already amassed the popularity, instead of cance…

> Asmongold made a good move.

No, the actual good move would have been for him to pay someone, or a company, a percentage of the revenue to make high quality videos for him, at the very begining.

The fact that he didn't do this, in the first place, means that he left hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table, which he could have captured if he had put a bit of effort into paying someone to make his youtube channel in the first place.

Monetizing isn't the "fun" part of streaming though.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

#65
post #35

Note: I don't know anything about games or livestreaming. This is a genuine question about something that confuses me. Can someone explain why livestreamers can claim their stream as their own original content, but reuploaders can't? I mean, someone who livestreams a game is primarily showing off the artwork and level design and everything put in by the game company. There's like 90% derived content plus 10% original…

It's a similar problem space as architecture photography. On one hand, the photograph requires a technical skill, can involve some creativity and the photograph definitely wouldn't exist without the photograph. On the other hand, the art inside the photograph is primarily by the architect. A picture of a beautiful building is only beautiful because the photographer correctly captured the existing art that is the buil…

If the problem space is that similar, a streaming equivalent of

https://unhappyhipsters.tumblr.com/

ought to exist.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

#66

Note: I don't know anything about games or livestreaming. This is a genuine question about something that confuses me. Can someone explain why livestreamers can claim their stream as their own original content, but reuploaders can't? I mean, someone who livestreams a game is primarily showing off the artwork and level design and everything put in by the game company. There's like 90% derived content plus 10% original…

It's not about who contributed more content to the final product, it's about who has permission.

Game creators give streamers permission (sometimes just implied permission, but with more recent games it is more explicit) to share streams of their games. The streamers are not giving anybody permission to re-upload their content. The video game company doesn't automatically own the derivative works that they have given permission to be created.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jim Sterling's small disagreement with an asset flipping nobody game dev over displaying videos of games described the argument for youtuber uploads of gameplay. He said that the argument in court would be that the review or livestreamer playing the game is creating a transformative piece of work by playing it. There are an infinite number of different videos that could come from playing a game so any individual one…

The difference with Jim Sterling is that he is (was?) pretty explicitly reviewing those games. In the case of a livestreamer it's harder to argue that it is a review. Reviews are something we want protected, because they inform consumers. This makes them good for society. Livestreams tend to have a less direct path to "definitely good for society".

I agree on the value judgement you're making but the transformative aspects are the same legal argument.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

#69

Last year I created an extension just for that. All it does is turn let you know that the video you are watching is a reupload and provides a link to the original. https://www.youdupe.app/

Just what we need more MFA spam - did you not think even for on second about the ethics of what you are doing.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

#70
A lot of streamers actually do this. There was a streamer house that did this exact thing a month ago. And also the biggest female streamer also employed an "editor" who was previously ripping content straight from her stream.
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