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JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by edanm »

janderland wrote: post #210
edanm wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

The vim emulation for the IntelliJ tools worked very well for me. Used to use only vim with a complex setup. Have been using Goland, and IntelliJ for about a year now.

I actually haven't tried it (just started using PyCharm again very recently). But I gave it a go right after posting my comment.

And like almost every other emulation I've ever tried, within 1 minute, I found 5 things that didn't work correctly. And I'm not exaggerating here - I literally spent 1, maybe 2 minutes and found 5 things.

I'll have to use it for a while to find out whether it's just a few minor annoyances, or much worse than vim.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by w0utert »

FpUser wrote: post #25
non-entity wrote: post #10

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I recently went ahead and purchased theyr3 full product line, because I figured there are several I would end up wanting to use and it was just cheaper that way. The reason I bought it though, was specifically for CLion. I figured having a full featured IDE would make it much easier to browse and understand large C or C++ projects, but sadly it seems to only support CMake projects.

I also tried their CLion and was somewhat disappointed. Slow in places, sometime stalls, bugs here and there. Ended up using CodeLite and Qt designer

One thing I've found with CLion is that you really, really want to edit the JVM settings for the IDE. By default it starts with a 2GB memory limit for the JVM, which even for small projects will severely drag down performance, e.g. my MBP would run very hot, spin the fans and the IDE would get very laggy. Increasing the JVM settings to allocate 8GB completely solved this.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by geophile »

JetBrains is completely awesome, in all ways.

- The best IDEs by far. There is nothing remotely close. I have been a dedicated Emacs user for over 30 years. But there is so much Intellij does that just isn't available in Emacs, that I started moving more of my dev work to IDE, maybe 10 years ago. I still escape to Emacs sometimes (from the IDE), but if I'm coding in Java, Python, or sometimes C/C++, JetBrains tools are my main environment.

- The products keep getting better with every release.

- Excellent support. They are always fast and address my exact problem.

- Reasonable licensing.

- The free versions of their products are usable. I got by on free versions for years.

I am thankful that they remain independent. I fear than an acquisition would dilute their focus and kill their many-years long streak of stellar accomplishment.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by lowercased »

With this much revenue... can they eventually divert some to providing a 'live share' service like vscode offers? I would think it would be a service they could possibly even uncharge for - I would pay a few $ more for a 'plus' version which offers 'share my project with other jetbrains users for pairing'.

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Post by Nextgrid »

thijsvandien wrote: post #192
kevindong wrote: post #179

I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

Check out Sublime Merge, from the creators of Sublime Text: https://www.sublimemerge.com

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by akie »

thijsvandien wrote: post #192
kevindong wrote: post #179

I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

I am just replying to say that I have the exact same experience. I love Git Tower and recommended it to many people, but I haven't upgraded to version 3 and likely never will - for the exact reasons that you have lined out. I think FourNova (the company behind it) is probably missing out on quite some cash here...

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by fgonzag »

justsid wrote: post #163
maushu wrote: post #159

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I don't know what OP uses but I use VS code and it's pretty good for a free editor.

OP is litereally ranting about people using text editors for tasks that IDEs excell at, and you are suggesting another text editor.

So nobody can give the opposing view point? I use both IDEs and Text Editors depending on the language. I use jetbrains for kotlin/java, and moved from vim to vscode for javascript and any other scripting language (also switched from VS to VSCode for .net)

I find developers who try to force their tools on others annoying. I'm much more productive on scripting languages with an editor. They just feel more responsive.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by nik_0_0 »

wayneftw wrote: post #222
edanm wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

> "move the cursor to a certain place and enter some text" In vscode, I'm usually already looking at the call site of a function I want to edit. So I move the cursor into the function call and hit F12 which takes me to the function definition to edit it. Once I'm done, I hit Alt+LEFT to navigate back to where I was to continue on... If I didn't start from a call site but I know the file I want to edit - I hit Ctrl+P,…

Reading the parent comment (and being somewhat a vim user) - "move the cursor to a certain place and enter some text" - sounds mostly about the first thing you mentioned - "move the cursor".

Stock vim is mouseless, and without arrow-keys, which means relying on /? (searching) or other keys to achieve the function of arriving at text. CTRL-F never quite matches that (after you hit enter, the CTRL-F dialog is still open, and needs to be closed with ESC or by clicking away), and moving to the arrow keys/pgup/pgdown/mouse is slow.

Having said that - there are some plugins that match this behaviour - I particularly like the ones where a key (f in vimium) highlights each word with a character, allowing for one or two keypresses to jump anywhere on the screen.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by michaelmrose »

dehrmann wrote: post #142
enitihas wrote: post #5

Jetbrains products are awesome though. I used to use a heavily customized vim which was a pretty good setup, but the things a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do. I pay for a personal subscription and couldn't be happier. I will recommend everyone to atleast give their products a try. They have a free trial period.

> a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do I get frustrated by people who insist on a complex vi/emacs setup for something Jetbrains IDEs do better out of the box. Or people who insist Sublime is good for editing their complex React project.

Presumably they value aspects of their environment over the features that jetbrains provides.

The complexity is usually overstated and a sunk cost besides.

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