Besides the political slant, they appear to claim it isn’t brutalist because it has no visible connectors or internals ... and then show photos of allegedly brutalist architecture with no visible connectors or internals.
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The Cybertruck is not brutalist
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Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of cars today are designed around regulations and with aerodynamics in mind. For example in Europe you can't have a spoiler that could catch a cyclist. And it is prefered that there is room between the hood and motor in case of an impact with a pedestrian. This is why a lot of cars start to look the same. This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. A door that doesn't d…
I have heard people mention that European safety rules that would prevent sale if the cybertruck. But nobody says which rules and why. Can you elaborate?
I think what’s usually meant are rules regarding pedestrian safety. For example, EuroNCAP has crash tests for a vehicle colliding with a leg and with a head, at 30 kmh, I believe.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. To be honest, Cybertruck may be not allowed in Europe for citizens, but I not see any limitations that could prevent allowing Cybertruck for farming in Europe.
Southern Germany is chock full of small to large-ish farms (all of which would be tiny to small for US standards I guess), but either people hide their pick-up trucks extremely well, or there aren't a lot of them around. Also, wouldn't not having a Straßenzulassung (permission for road use) mean you couldn't use it on public streets at all?
Crete, on the other hand, is full of pickup trucks.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#164Let's see what the actual selling price is. It's probably going to be very high by pickup standards. In which case the prestige value matters more than the functionality.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have heard people mention that European safety rules that would prevent sale if the cybertruck. But nobody says which rules and why. Can you elaborate?
I think what’s usually meant are rules regarding pedestrian safety. For example, EuroNCAP has crash tests for a vehicle colliding with a leg and with a head, at 30 kmh, I believe.
Wouldn't these same rules apply for all the other pickup trucks?
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#166It’s likely by this pedantic definition that no automobile could ever be brutalist. Architectural gatekeeping.
“The truck is consumerist, whereas brutalism’s monumentality is civic. The truck’s boldness serves the bravado of an individual, whereas brutalism’s visual power was meant to project the shared dignity of the public realm.” Literally no product you can buy would meet this definition. I guess you could make a brutalist city bus?
The word brutalist ultimately means whatever it is that it communicates.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Cybertruck is very carefully designed to hide a lot of it's structural components. It's designed to look "brutal", but it's not brutalist. It is very carefully designed to look a certain way. A brutalist truck would be something like a Land Rover Defender, or in the concept car world something like the trucks from Bollinger Motors. A brutalist truck does not use internal hinges that are hidden from sight; a bruta…
So a brutalist truck has to have bad aerodynamics? My impression is that brutalism believes "form follows function." For a car, that means aerodynamics matter. And brutalist buildings seem to be more about monolithic concrete than exposed girders.
Form follows function is not quite Brutalist philosophy. I maybe wrong but then I look at all the Brutalist architecture and see a lot of things that have no functional use.
Just go to Google images and search Brutalist architecture.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
the lack of physical mirrors would be problematic in the eu as well. maybe not for all countries, but since it's in germany: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvzo_2012/__56.html it would be in other countries as well. (a lot of of eu guidances are driven by german manufacturers)
There's a vehicle, the Audi e-tron, with virtual side mirrors that's on sale and on the roads right now in Germany and other EU countries. https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/tron/audi-e-tron.ht... In German: > Effizienz, Sicherheit und ein neuartiges Technik- und Fahrerlebnis – der optionale virtuelle Außenspiegel des Audi e-tron bietet Ihnen einen echten Mehrwert. Der flache Träger reduziert die Fahrzeugbreite…
well it has a mirror. the camera is at the same position where the real mirror would be. you can look at the pictures of the car to see them.
a mirror does not need to be a physical mirror. it just need's to have a view on the "dead" perspective of your car. a camera that shows that view and uses the same position as the old mirror actually is not against the law:
> bei Personenkraftwagen sowie Lastkraftwagen, Zugmaschinen und Sattelzugmaschinen mit einer zulässigen Gesamtmasse von nicht mehr als 3,5 t Spiegel oder andere Einrichtungen für indirekte Sicht, die in den im Anhang zu dieser Vorschrift genannten Bestimmungen für diese Fahrzeuge als vorgeschrieben bezeichnet sind; die vorgeschriebenen sowie vorhandene gemäß Anhang III Nummer 2.1.1 der im Anhang zu dieser Vorschrift genannten Richtlinie zulässige Spiegel oder andere Einrichtungen für indirekte Sicht müssen den im Anhang zu dieser Vorschrift genannten Bestimmungen entsprechen;
which says mirrors or anything that shows this indirect view. (but I doubt that there are that many things which are "showing this indirect view")
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of cars today are designed around regulations and with aerodynamics in mind. For example in Europe you can't have a spoiler that could catch a cyclist. And it is prefered that there is room between the hood and motor in case of an impact with a pedestrian. This is why a lot of cars start to look the same. This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. A door that doesn't d…
I have heard people mention that European safety rules that would prevent sale if the cybertruck. But nobody says which rules and why. Can you elaborate?
For most part the lack of a crumple zone because the body is made of 'unbendable' steel.
Airbags become useless when they handle all the impact of a crash. And how will they cut you out of your truck in case of an emergency?
But I think Elon is not stupid. Current Tesla's are extremely safe so he knows what he is doing.
That's why I think there is more to the launch of the cybertruck. I think they sold an idea instead of a truck. The production cybertruck might look the same but will not be wat is promised.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
its better to think of it more as public harm reduction than public "good"
If people didn't see vehicles as a net positive compared to the alternative they wouldn't own them.
People own them because of a net positive for themselves, not for the society.