JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised • Hacker News Board

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by sitkack » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:54 PM UTC

enitihas wrote: post #5

Jetbrains products are awesome though. I used to use a heavily customized vim which was a pretty good setup, but the things a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do. I pay for a personal subscription and couldn't be happier. I will recommend everyone to atleast give their products a try. They have a free trial period.

The community edition is Apache licensed, https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community it has no trial period, you own it forever.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by Denvercoder9 » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:55 PM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #20

I can’t tell you how many times my use of very vanilla Emacs with zero jedi / autocomplete / search features has saved me in my career. It’s so critical to use text editors for software development and extract all other functionality to separate shell tools. If a mix of very simple vim or Emacs + grep / git grep / silver searcher + CLI tools for automatic linting, test cases, etc., isn’t efficient for you, and motiva…

> But general code search, linter/test integration, and embedded features like autocomplete, pop-up signatures or docs, etc., are disastrously bad things hands down for regular development.

Do you have any substantiation for that claim?

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by y0y » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:56 PM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #20

I can’t tell you how many times my use of very vanilla Emacs with zero jedi / autocomplete / search features has saved me in my career. It’s so critical to use text editors for software development and extract all other functionality to separate shell tools. If a mix of very simple vim or Emacs + grep / git grep / silver searcher + CLI tools for automatic linting, test cases, etc., isn’t efficient for you, and motiva…

Scala was the only language that I gave up and used an IDE for several years ago due to the nature of implicits.

The language server protocol has been a game-changer, though. Now I'm back to 100% terminal and couldn't be happier.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by kilburn » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:57 PM UTC

The_rationalist wrote: post #2

They clearly are the state of the art of IDEs for most mainstream languages nowadays. It's easy for young developers to overlook the power of intellij IDES, and to use the "sexier" vscode. But clearly for any medium to large project, learning to master intellijs are one of the highest ROI that a developer can get. Of course, it should be mixed with ideaVim.

I generally prefer JetBrains' IDEs over vscode. However, vscode's remote editing capabilities just tipped the scale for me.

Not too long ago I bought a "powerful" laptop (expensive!). It still chocked frequently when running multiple vm's, docker machines and/or multiple "auto-compile watchers".

Then I tried vscode remote editing. I just run the browser & vscode in the laptop, and everything else on the desktop. It makes for a much, much nicer experience overall.

JetBrains, if this somehow gets to you: please copy vscode's remoting abilities and I'll be back. Until then... I had a great time with you.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by eoinboylan » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:58 PM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #20

I can’t tell you how many times my use of very vanilla Emacs with zero jedi / autocomplete / search features has saved me in my career. It’s so critical to use text editors for software development and extract all other functionality to separate shell tools. If a mix of very simple vim or Emacs + grep / git grep / silver searcher + CLI tools for automatic linting, test cases, etc., isn’t efficient for you, and motiva…

Explain why code search and linting are "disastrously bad things hands down for regular development".

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by rvz » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:58 PM UTC

Railsify wrote: post #24

They also still give away their entire suite of products to students at no cost!

Several students tell me that it is only the full-version for free for a year, then it is subscription-based at a discount.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by lucb1e » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

sysbin wrote: post #21

friedman23 wrote: post #6

I love jet brains but I'll say this. Their software is part of the reason I paid for 32 GB of ram on my new macbook pro.

How great is the 32 GB of ram? I have a 2017 macbook pro. I don't ever develop on a desktop machine to be able to know what I'm missing out on by only having 16 GB.

I run on 16GB at work and 8 at home. At home I run into issues with large Factorio factories or if I have too many browser tabs open (tbh that's an issue with me, not with my system, but more RAM would be a workaround for it), but at work the amount feels quite luxurious. I never got close to running out even with multiple VMs running at the same time, so I don't really see the need for more than 16. Maybe specialized applications need it like machine learning or so? Though that would seem like something you'd do on a server instead of your local laptop.

Unless you're running close to full most of the time, I also don't think the extra disk caching more RAM allows for is generally worth it. I have a few GB free most of the time (both at home and at work) and that seems to suffice to cache whatever files I'm currently working with.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by slenk » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

ordx wrote: post #11

They are registered in Prague, but it's mostly Russian company. Depending on your line of business, this may or may not be an issue.

Do you have some proof? Otherwise it seems you are just posting to cause controversy.

I feel this goes against a lot of the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

edit: my apologies for the assumptions and most likely breaking the guidelines myself

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by y0y » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

hyperbovine wrote: post #14

friedman23 wrote: post #6

I love jet brains but I'll say this. Their software is part of the reason I paid for 32 GB of ram on my new macbook pro.

Thank Java.

The new breed of garbage collectors may change this significantly for the better. They need to be explicitly enabled, but there is a GC (G1) that may be better suited for desktop applications (low latency pauses, relinquishes memory to the OS more frequently while idle, etc.) available in Java 11.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by peterangular » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 5:00 PM UTC

croh wrote: post #19

I am a big fan of Intellij. But the single most feature I hate about their products is keyboard shortcuts. If they follow standard unix shortcuts along with standard browser shortcuts, it will be more productive.

I'm with you that the defaults aren't my favorite... but as a heavy Sublime user I was able to migrate the bindings over that made sense to me... Intellij products are insanely configurable.

Also - I would either use their cloud sync and/or VCS to back-up your customizations. It sucks switching to a new computer and losing a day re-configuring your IDE back to baseline =|