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Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by nickjj »

skrebbel wrote: post #12

Note: I don't know anything about games or livestreaming. This is a genuine question about something that confuses me. Can someone explain why livestreamers can claim their stream as their own original content, but reuploaders can't? I mean, someone who livestreams a game is primarily showing off the artwork and level design and everything put in by the game company. There's like 90% derived content plus 10% original…

In a similar fashion imagine if you created a book and then streamed yourself reading it out loud for 5 hours in 1 video and then someone came in and cut that 5 hour audio book up into 100x 5-10 minute clips where you talk about a specific point and put it all up on Youtube.

And now they are making $15,000 a month from the millions of views it's getting because they did a good job with titling everything. At this point they've even overshadowed your own content because Youtube's search algorithm prefers 100+ smaller videos with really good titles vs 1x 5 hour video with 1 title and also most viewers on Youtube prefer the shorter clips.

Who should be the owner of these clips? In this case the re-uploader isn't adding anything new to the content. They are deciding that from 15:31 until 23:17 the original content creator was talking about X subject, so they cut out that bit and put it directly into a new video.

This is a really hard problem to solve because someone else might come in and cut that ~8 minute clip into 2x 4 minute clips or even change the offsets by a few seconds and now the file is completely different from a file size perspective.

That's why you see all of those videos of people who record certain shows on TV and then frame it in a weird background with moving circles and other artifacts, or they reduce the audio playback speed to 90%. It's to get around Youtube being able to detect it's duplicate content from someone else.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by nickjj »

Hamuko wrote: post #10
Qahlel wrote: post #2

Technically, that's how I had found about Asmongold in the first place. The real money -for streamers- is in Twitch. What he's doing, is logical and smart for his bottom-line.

Yeah, I found about Asmongold on YouTube as well. Watched some clips, amusing stuff. But where that failed was that I didn't go on Twitch to watch his streams. I think an important question is what's the conversion rate from YouTube to Twitch. And what kind of an incentive is there for people to go on Twitch if the "best bits" go on YouTube anyways?

I think it depends on the audience.

Personally I don't watch sports because I don't find it very interesting at all. Seriously, I would rather watch paint dry than most sports.

But I would (and sometimes do) watch a few minute highlight clips of someone who is extremely talented just schooling the competition at a professional level. It caters towards a different type of perspective. I don't care who wins or loses or even what sport it is. I just like seeing people excel at their craft, and it's super interesting to see how big of a skill gap there is between a really legendary player and an average player at the pro level.

A sports network will never get a dime from me, I'll never purchase tickets to a game and I would never wear any merchandise related to that player or sport. But in the end, I'm now aware of that player for something positive and I think for something to really take off that general awareness is critical.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by dtech »

skrebbel wrote: post #12

Note: I don't know anything about games or livestreaming. This is a genuine question about something that confuses me. Can someone explain why livestreamers can claim their stream as their own original content, but reuploaders can't? I mean, someone who livestreams a game is primarily showing off the artwork and level design and everything put in by the game company. There's like 90% derived content plus 10% original…

A voice actor cannot record an audiobook version of a book without the owner permission. A baseball player can sell a recording of a game of baseball (for the sake of argument, since baseball isn't copyrighted)

A streamer playing a game is much more like a sports professional than an audiobook narrator. For most popular streaming games like LoL, Rocket League, Fortnite, Counter Strike or Hearthstone the game itself is mostly a set of rules and an arena.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by riffraff »

apacheCamel wrote: post #37
yNeolh wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, what happens there is that some streamers are more linked to a specific game because maybe they are better or funnier, but that's it. If you go to Twitch and scroll down in Fornite you will see hundreds of people with less than 100 viewers which also confirms that the game means almost nothing. Minecraft is linked to the growth of many Youtubers because its the most open game you can find and thus giving creators…

I think it is a little bit of both. IMO, it seems to be along the lines of how big the channel is. The bigger the channel, the more room and flexibility they have to move around games because the fans are more there for their personality than the game. Lower end channels don't have that freedom. It is almost like their fans are there for them, but only playing that specific game (whether it be for their skill in the…

I'd say the game is the "genre" and the streamer is an author. If you are someone who produces music or literature, and you do it in a popular genre, you will get some of the genre's public through radio streaming, antologies etc.

If you are good enough, people will buy your next album/book in the same genre. If you have a cult following, people will buy your next book/album in whatever genre.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by ascii_only »

cletus wrote: post #26

I'm honestly surprised at how bad Youtube is at policing reuploaded content. Compare this to, say, music rights enforcement, where a car with a loud stereo passing you in the street can cause your video to be demonetized or taken down for rights violations. This goes beyond reuploading. There are a ton of videos that use some clickbait-y title, the likeness of a creator and have inaccurate titles about what they cont…

How is your magic algorithm will distinguish "bad" channels from game reviewers,movie critics and other reviwers? Or should they all be banned too? Also how it will detect that something is fair use?

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by Already__Taken »

flafla2 wrote: post #13
skrebbel wrote: post #12

Note: I don't know anything about games or livestreaming. This is a genuine question about something that confuses me. Can someone explain why livestreamers can claim their stream as their own original content, but reuploaders can't? I mean, someone who livestreams a game is primarily showing off the artwork and level design and everything put in by the game company. There's like 90% derived content plus 10% original…

People don’t watch live streamers for the game, they watch them for the streamer. On the contrary, 90% of the value of the stream comes from the personality playing the game and 10% comes from the game itself. It is common for streamers to jump around many games because it was never about which game was being played. A good example of this is DayZ, a game that was very buggy and had a lot of negative criticism, and y…

That's a funny argument however as I don't watch streams. Aculite and Jackfrags are some of my favourite creators but I just want a tight 10-20minute video of good content. I'm not going to watch someone have half a conversation with someone else for 2 hours. If they decide to stop producing those and only stream I will no longer find their content. So arguably people remixing streams are adding 90% of that value to me that wouldn't be there before.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by LeftHandPath »

Qahlel wrote: post #2

Technically, that's how I had found about Asmongold in the first place. The real money -for streamers- is in Twitch. What he's doing, is logical and smart for his bottom-line.

I’m still amazed by the sheer amount of money there is in this. $30,000 a month for reuploaders? $100,000 in a day for ad deals?

Makes me wonder if I chose the wrong career.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by fenwick67 »

cletus wrote: post #26

I'm honestly surprised at how bad Youtube is at policing reuploaded content. Compare this to, say, music rights enforcement, where a car with a loud stereo passing you in the street can cause your video to be demonetized or taken down for rights violations. This goes beyond reuploading. There are a ton of videos that use some clickbait-y title, the likeness of a creator and have inaccurate titles about what they cont…

This should not be surprising, follow the money.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by jcranmer »

LeftHandPath wrote: post #47
Qahlel wrote: post #2

Technically, that's how I had found about Asmongold in the first place. The real money -for streamers- is in Twitch. What he's doing, is logical and smart for his bottom-line.

I’m still amazed by the sheer amount of money there is in this. $30,000 a month for reuploaders? $100,000 in a day for ad deals? Makes me wonder if I chose the wrong career.

That is definitely on the high end of remuneration. The median I expect is about $2K a month.

Re: WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream to run official channel

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Post by Mirioron »

panic wrote: post #20
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that was true, they would be doing it without games - they would just be sitting there and chatting for example. But since they don't, it mostly means that for those streamers people would not have watched them without the game being played, so the question of whether the game or streamer is at 90% of value it quite open.

"Just Chatting" is so popular on Twitch there's an entire category for it: https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Just%20Chatting

And quite often it is the most popular category on the site.
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