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Nobody has crash-tested a Cybertruck yet...
this traffic pylon did https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-hits-traffic-pylon-with-new-cy...
The Cybertruck is not brutalist
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Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#142Kind of reminds me of this copypasta that has become a meme in the emo music scene: "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to…
If almost everyone considers it brutalist, well, too bad expert gatekeeper of an ill-defined abstract notion.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#143This chart [1] is awesome reminder of a current state in car design. Even without Tesla, a change is in dire need. https://www.dropbox.com/s/coe1mnbupjv8qbe/1_uEe9rvbQB8XM6uYW...
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#144As a person with personal interest in visual arts I never have seen the appeal of appearance of many popular "great looking" cars of today's variety. Even muscle cars and luxury models. Cars up to 70's and 80's were really nice and aesthetically pleasing, and I find the Elon Musk's vision to be really nice and refreshing. It might be that I'm partial to science fiction in general, but I really would like to see this…
A lot of cars today are designed around regulations and with aerodynamics in mind. For example in Europe you can't have a spoiler that could catch a cyclist. And it is prefered that there is room between the hood and motor in case of an impact with a pedestrian. This is why a lot of cars start to look the same. This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. A door that doesn't d…
To be honest, Cybertruck may be not allowed in Europe for citizens, but I not see any limitations that could prevent allowing Cybertruck for farming in Europe.
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It's not about practicality. A Formula 1 car or high-performance sailboat has no practical value, but I trust engineers far more than kindergartners about Formula 1 or yacht design. On the other hand, I've seen gifted kindergartners draw things which I thought were pretty good -- on par with some respected artists. It's about having real-world validation. Anyone can have an opinion about art and literature. If your o…
You do realize that the activity of art-making and the field of aesthetics (defined broadly as philosophical thought about art-making) are thousands of years old? And that just as there are arguments for certain political systems over others, there are arguments for certain ways of interpreting and valuing art over others? The idea that artistic value is only based on modern academics is really quite myopic.
The notion that visual design for a consumer product isn't fundamentally validated by a sufficient demand by a sufficiently large set of consumers, to me, is stupid.
So much of humanities seems to be somewhat arbitrary and fashionable categorization in a (somewhat vain) attempt to be able to academically analyze (or at least publish the equivalent).
So this article seems hilarious to me.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of cars today are designed around regulations and with aerodynamics in mind. For example in Europe you can't have a spoiler that could catch a cyclist. And it is prefered that there is room between the hood and motor in case of an impact with a pedestrian. This is why a lot of cars start to look the same. This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. A door that doesn't d…
Also, it looks like an aerodynamic disaster with its sharp edges and square shapes.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#147This chart [1] is awesome reminder of a current state in car design. Even without Tesla, a change is in dire need. https://www.dropbox.com/s/coe1mnbupjv8qbe/1_uEe9rvbQB8XM6uYW...
* four wheels
* meets legal size limits
* reasonable aerodynamic characteristics
* room for passengers
* sufficiently sized windows and doors
* crumplezone
* reasonable collision and roll characteristics
* front that mitigates damage to pedestrians
* (for SUVs) large trunk with large door
* practical to manufacture
* etc
the design space is pretty limited, and so it’s not surprising that all vehicles in a given class look pretty similar. It’s like how most large planes look pretty similar - it’s not laziness, it’s optimization within constraints.
It’s also worth noting that the Cybertruck, as shown, does not meet a lot of the basic requirements (rear views, windshield wipers, impact characteristics, headlight legality) so any shipping version will have to have a changes made towards a more traditional form.
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"As a person with personal interest in visual arts" With all due respects, isn't this an entirely meaningless saying? Everyone has an interest in aesthetics and visual appeal, and has a subjective opinion on what they find appealing. We are a social species so invariably people infect each other's opinion so we have trends and movements towards/from opinions, but everyone has equal legitimacy in their opinion on this…
> but everyone has equal legitimacy in their opinion on this. Why is everyone's opinion equal? When building a bridge, is the opinion of a civil engineer equal to that of a cook? No, clearly not - but we only recognize this because the effects of building faulty bridges are obvious and immediately noticeable, whereas the effects of cultural ignorance are far more subtle and wide-reaching. The fields of art and aesthe…
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of cars today are designed around regulations and with aerodynamics in mind. For example in Europe you can't have a spoiler that could catch a cyclist. And it is prefered that there is room between the hood and motor in case of an impact with a pedestrian. This is why a lot of cars start to look the same. This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. A door that doesn't d…
> This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. To be honest, Cybertruck may be not allowed in Europe for citizens, but I not see any limitations that could prevent allowing Cybertruck for farming in Europe.
Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist
#150Kind of reminds me of this copypasta that has become a meme in the emo music scene: "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to…
The interesting thing about the copypasta is that none of the bands listed as real Emocore I don't think ever willingly identified as that genre. Whereas all of the other bands listed may have on some level agreed that their music is more or less in the "emo" genre. In way, it's saying that you're only real emo if that was not your intent.
As it relates to the Cyber Truck, however, is interesting. I think it's fair to say that the approach to construction of the Cyber Truck is relatively in line with the Brutalist movement: exposed materials in bare form with rigid and simple geometric designs. But the Cyber Truck was not created by any of the original Brutalist Architects, nor was it done in that era. And even though the location may be somewhat right, in that the Bay Area (where Tesla is HQ'd) is full of Brutalist Architecture, if the author of the copypasta had written about this subject instead, the cyber truck would have undoubtedly been mentioned in the ALL CAPS SECTION at the end.