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The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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It’s likely by this pedantic definition that no automobile could ever be brutalist. Architectural gatekeeping.

Excuse me but Jeremy Clarkson would beg to differ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbU0UJAdFj8

If we remove the requirement about the concrete, then Geoff car would also tick all of the boxes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCSNCs7bwCw

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Kind of reminds me of this copypasta that has become a meme in the emo music scene: "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to…

lol, reminds me of a chat I had with a friend last week.

He said, he read a book about rock'n'roll and the author tried to define what r'n'r is.

In the end, for the author, r'n'r was created when a specific album was released somewhere in the 60s and stopped with a specific single released in the 70s. So he was arguing that r'n'r was a music created in a period of less than 10 years and everything befor and after this had nothing to do with r'n'r.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Iterations of that copypasta have existed for like two decades.

Longer than that. Monty Python did something very similar in Life of Brian: https://youtu.be/a0BpfwazhUA

This is excellent satire of “narcissism of minor differences”

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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For political systems, I can look at how happy people are, how healthy people are, how affluent they are, how much economic progress there is, how much scientific progress there is, equality, stability, as well as apply whatever theories of morality I like (e.g. utilitarianism). There is a value judgement as to how I weigh those, or which ones I care about, but I can evaluate it in some way. People might argue about…

...and there are ways to evaluate art or literature and make value judgments. You simply seem to be unaware of them.

Sure, but there is no intrinsic canonical way to do so, because there is no objective goal that is common to instances of a certain form of art.

As a result, those evaluation metrics become as arbitrary as the art itself.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

#125
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The lack of physical mirrors is an issue (at the moment) for US homologation, but wouldn't be for EU regulations.

the lack of physical mirrors would be problematic in the eu as well. maybe not for all countries, but since it's in germany: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvzo_2012/__56.html it would be in other countries as well. (a lot of of eu guidances are driven by german manufacturers)

There's a vehicle, the Audi e-tron, with virtual side mirrors that's on sale and on the roads right now in Germany and other EU countries.

https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/tron/audi-e-tron.ht...

In German:

> Effizienz, Sicherheit und ein neuartiges Technik- und Fahrerlebnis – der optionale virtuelle Außenspiegel des Audi e-tron bietet Ihnen einen echten Mehrwert. Der flache Träger reduziert die Fahrzeugbreite gegenüber einem herkömmlichen Außenspiegel um 15 Zentimeter und damit auch den Luftwiderstand und das Windgeräuschniveau. Eine kleine Kamera projiziert die Bilder digital auf kontraststarke OLED-Displays ins Innere. Insbesondere bei Dämmerung und in der Nacht erkennen Sie trotz Scheinwerferreflexionen rückwärtige Fahrzeuge gestochen scharf. Der Audi e-tron ist das erste Serienmodell, in dem der virtuelle Außenspiegel zum Einsatz kommt.

Machine translated to English:

> Efficiency, safety and an innovative technology and driving experience - the optional virtual exterior mirror of the Audi e-tron offers you real added value. The flat carrier reduces the vehicle width by 15 centimeters compared to a conventional exterior mirror and thus also the air resistance and wind noise level. A small camera digitally projects the images into the interior on high-contrast OLED displays. Particularly at dusk and at night, you can see rear-end vehicles with pin-sharp clarity despite headlight reflections. The Audi e-tron is the first production model in which the virtual exterior mirror is used.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

#126

Brutalist or not, it’s not real. That car as shown will absolutely not pass crash testing, European homologation and pedestrian impact, both issues with it being 1/8” stainless steel panels (separate discussion how those make no damn sense!). It has no mirrors, or wipers. What has been shown is a roughly drawn concept. Anyone that thinks they’re going to get exactly that and exactly for $40,000 hasn’t been around the…

You’d think a billion-dollar car company with 17 years and three commercially-successful car models under their belt would have planned for that.

We have no idea how the structure reacts to crashes, and any assumptions right now are pointless.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

#127

Brutalist or not, it’s not real. That car as shown will absolutely not pass crash testing, European homologation and pedestrian impact, both issues with it being 1/8” stainless steel panels (separate discussion how those make no damn sense!). It has no mirrors, or wipers. What has been shown is a roughly drawn concept. Anyone that thinks they’re going to get exactly that and exactly for $40,000 hasn’t been around the…

It isn't "a roughly drawn concept" if it's been seen on the road, driven even by Elon Musk himself. With passengers.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/cybertruck?lang=en

Have you seen a concept car from a traditional car makers on the road after its unveil?

In fact that's the difference between Tesla and other carmakers. They don't do concepts with grand future vision, design clues, etc like the others. Given their record it's likely the production versions of Roadster 2, Semi and Cybertruck will look the same as what we've seen.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Europe probably isn’t the target market from what I understand many more people drive pickups in North America than Europe?

They are taking "pre-orders" (more like interest-free loans) in European markets. E.g. https://www.tesla.com/sv_se/cybertruck/design#battery The content and the price is localized (e.g. it's at an even 1000 SEK). There is a caveat listed: "All configurations have US specifications only."

European countries should start thinking about legislations against scams like these. Again Tesla is on the cutting edge of... scams.

Btw: here's poll on teslaclubsweden.com on who has "ordered" a CyberTruck: (the bars show different regions of Sweden)

https://teslaclubsweden.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19171

I hesitate to call these people idiots (mostly because that's rude) .. but.. they would certainly benefit from consumer protection laws.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Kind of reminds me of this copypasta that has become a meme in the emo music scene: "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to…

That's hilarious.

As an aside, the self-titled American Football album from 1999 (fake emo, apparently) is one of my favorite records of all time. Highly recommend for anyone that likes layered twinkly guitars in their indie pop.

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