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SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

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Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

#31

And what a disaster Airbnb and Uber have been for the cities they have invaded. That’s why people legislate against them.

Who is down voting this? It is correct. Uber is contributing to traffic jams, environmental catastrophe and the continued deterioration of public transport. Airbnb is contributing to a housing crisis in many major cities.

Of course,the public sector created a lot of the problems Uber alleviates on an individual basis but that doesn't change the fact that is a really bad solution.

Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

#32

And what a disaster Airbnb and Uber have been for the cities they have invaded. That’s why people legislate against them.

Yes, what a disaster having affordable car transportation that doesn't turn you away for being a minority and having cheaper alternatives to hotels available that let people make money renting out extra rooms.

Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

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post #31

And what a disaster Airbnb and Uber have been for the cities they have invaded. That’s why people legislate against them.

Who is down voting this? It is correct. Uber is contributing to traffic jams, environmental catastrophe and the continued deterioration of public transport. Airbnb is contributing to a housing crisis in many major cities. Of course,the public sector created a lot of the problems Uber alleviates on an individual basis but that doesn't change the fact that is a really bad solution.

Deterioration of public transport is political. NIMBY's don't want public transport in their backyard, out of fear that it might bring in "undesirable" folk. Uber and Lyft have zilch to do with this.

If anything, these services make public transport more effective by solving the "last mile" problem for its users and thus obviating the need for a privately-owned car.

Airbnb is contributing to a housing crisis? You know the way out of that "crisis": Build more housing. Or more hotels, since the scarcity of hotel services is clearly what's driving Airbnb use in the first place.

Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

#34

And what a disaster Airbnb and Uber have been for the cities they have invaded. That’s why people legislate against them.

Yes, what a disaster having affordable car transportation that doesn't turn you away for being a minority and having cheaper alternatives to hotels available that let people make money renting out extra rooms.

> having cheaper alternatives to hotels available that let people make money renting out extra rooms.

Yeah, in that case, all the long term residents living in popular cities must be insane to hate Airbnb. Have lived in a city and a building infested with Airbnbs? If you did, you would how fucked up it is for a long term renter.

Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

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Classic victim blaming / blaming the user. The takeaway should be that this bureaucracy is broken, not that applicants shouldn't be able to make trivially fixable mistakes.

Bureaucracy should be treated as a computer program, you have to feed it exactly what it expects. If you give to a JSON parser an object with single quoted strings it is your fault if the parser complains even though it is quite clear what you meant. In the case of software, being clever means that you open yourself to unintended result, vulnerabilities and such, in the case of bureaucracy you open yourself to lawsui…

No, you expect bureaucracy to be helpful and resist when they are acting as harmful to the spirit of the law. Otherwise you get a nightmare state akin to Soviet Union.

Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is down voting this? It is correct. Uber is contributing to traffic jams, environmental catastrophe and the continued deterioration of public transport. Airbnb is contributing to a housing crisis in many major cities. Of course,the public sector created a lot of the problems Uber alleviates on an individual basis but that doesn't change the fact that is a really bad solution.

Deterioration of public transport is political. NIMBY's don't want public transport in their backyard, out of fear that it might bring in "undesirable" folk. Uber and Lyft have zilch to do with this. If anything, these services make public transport more effective by solving the "last mile" problem for its users and thus obviating the need for a privately-owned car. Airbnb is contributing to a housing crisis? You kno…

This is just corporate propaganda. Studies have repeatedly shown that a significant number of people are using Uber INSTEAD of public transport

Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

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post #31

And what a disaster Airbnb and Uber have been for the cities they have invaded. That’s why people legislate against them.

Who is down voting this? It is correct. Uber is contributing to traffic jams, environmental catastrophe and the continued deterioration of public transport. Airbnb is contributing to a housing crisis in many major cities. Of course,the public sector created a lot of the problems Uber alleviates on an individual basis but that doesn't change the fact that is a really bad solution.

Keep on blaming demand and not the constricted supply.

Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

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post #31

And what a disaster Airbnb and Uber have been for the cities they have invaded. That’s why people legislate against them.

Who is down voting this? It is correct. Uber is contributing to traffic jams, environmental catastrophe and the continued deterioration of public transport. Airbnb is contributing to a housing crisis in many major cities. Of course,the public sector created a lot of the problems Uber alleviates on an individual basis but that doesn't change the fact that is a really bad solution.

>Who is down voting this? It is correct.

Simply being correct is not the only criterion for a comment being a positive contribution to the conversation. The comment also needs to relate its new information to the topic at hand.

At a guess¹, the unsupported assertion that AirBnB and Uber have been disasters is the major problem with the comment, in addition to the fact that they are not the primary subject of the conversation which makes 'randomsearch's comment feel more like a ranting non sequitur than a substantive contribution.

¹ I was not one of the downvoters

Re: SF wants startups to behave, so why did it reject the ‘nice guy’ of e-scooters?

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post #18

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> But the bigger point is that the SF government apparently places more weight on minor application mistakes than actual, historical "bad" behavior. This has been my experience with pretty much any bureaucracy, regardless of locale. E.g. when I incorporated my company, I had to send in the same application four times, each time paying an additional fee. Reason was I had minor, pointless really, mistakes in the applic…

This has been my experience with pretty much any bureaucracy, regardless of locale. It doesn't have to be this way. I incorporated my first company in Chicago, and was stunned with how helpful the bureaucrats were. Yes, it was a little complex, especially in the years before "startups" were a thing, and you could do stuff online. But each department I had to work with had people who would sit me down at their desk an…

Echo this sentiment from another Midwesterner, ex-pat former New York State resident. I moved to Indiana and have not had the experience of incorporating a business entity, but the experience I had at the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles has been one to make me question whether bureaucracies are really necessarily horrible all of the time.

Starting with the experience of moving to the state, to contrast (Upstate) Western New York vs Indiana:

My New York insurance provider determined that I was no longer residing in the state, so mailed me a letter of notice that my vehicle insurance was being cancelled. In truth this was the best thing that could have happened, because Indiana insurance is so much cheaper, and I got a deal through my new employer. I was dragging my feet on this because I did not know better about it, and knew it would be painful. So I went to get new insurance, and learned I would need to re-register my car...

Visiting the Indiana BMV was like no other auto vehicle registration experience. They were able to take care of me same day, and with no long wait – I waited up to at most 15 minutes to the desk. I was not shuffled from one desk to another, we completed the process in a single desk visit. On the other hand...

New York requires you to surrender your plates when you leave the state. If you fail to surrender in a timely fashion, you will be fined punitively. Indiana has no such requirement, they trust you to destroy the plates when you drop a registration for a vehicle. In fact, when I brought plates for my second vehicle to the BMV to surrender them, as the lease was being grounded, not only did they let me know that they actually don't do that at all, I don't need to do that, but also that I was entitled to a credit for the portion of my registration that I had not used (which is fairly substantial, as it is based on the worth of the vehicle and paid annually, like a use tax.)

The desk attendant was able to help me fill that form out before I left, and about 45 days later, two checks came in the mail. Being from New York, I found this kind of experience at a bureaucracy to be quite pleasant and seemingly impossible, (and from what I hear asking people who are born and raised here, it has only just become this way recently because of many reforms that have been applied in the past 20 years.)

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