If you see the results, you can also find negative correlation between stroke and the density of the western restaurants (french/italian or fast foods). What conclusions can you draw out of that? I'd probably just think this is just an interesting study that can't say anything with the results alone.
Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
51–60 of 69 posts
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#52https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal
Food fraud is potentially related to this correlation.
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good faith is required to accept any type of reporting. Otherwise, your question can always be extended to "How do we know that they didn't just make it all up?" The researchers did not report conducting more comparisons and they did not adjust for this in their analysis, so we have to assume that they are telling the truth. Of course, there's always the chance that they are being deceitful, so we have to reserve som…
The correlation is so large that I find it literally incredible. Could ramen restaurant prevalence really explain a quarter to a third of the variance in mortality (which is what r=0.5 to 0.6 implies)? If so, the damn things are an outright menace. And why is it so different from fast food, which is equally unhealthy but supposedly makes people live longer?
What is the connection between a correlation and an explanation? I see none. Zero. Nada.
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, they are cheap. Usually around 600-1200 yen or $6-12 many of them reduce labor costs by having a vending machine outside where you get a token that indicates your order. https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-asakusa/a... The current ramen fad in America relies on super rich broth, basically liquid bacon. There are many styles of ramen in Japan, ranging from super simple broths to the liquid bacon st…
I don’t think Americans invented tonkotsu broth.
It doesn't seem like they tried to imply that given that they stated the diversity of broth options in Japan.
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
But is ramen cheap at ramen restaurants in Japan? I ask because I spent $17 on ramen in a large American city earlier this month.
It's been 15 years since I lived in Japan, but IIRC it was on average among the cheapest foods there (as it is pretty much everywhere in Asia). Low cost ingredients, easy/fast to make, possible to cook bulk "batch" in large pot etc.
It’s not easy to make. The broth is rich and takes a lot of time and skill.
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#56It’s noodles with meat, high sodium and high fat. It’s bad if it’s had every single day.
Just like burgers and fries.
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
WebMD has a profit driven interest to pick on health anxiety by exaggerating symptoms
Profiting through advertising, or is there darker connections? Sorry, I'm genuinely not trying to be obtuse, but I'm just not quite sure on how that would work - does exaggerating the symptoms cause people to spend longer on the site? Or is it just to drive up search ranking? Or improve click through?
Dramatized, controverse stories bring more “interaction” and are more readily shared on social media. So they bring more pageviews and ad revenue.
This is why news and social media are the shit dispensaries they are today.
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
The correlation is so large that I find it literally incredible. Could ramen restaurant prevalence really explain a quarter to a third of the variance in mortality (which is what r=0.5 to 0.6 implies)? If so, the damn things are an outright menace. And why is it so different from fast food, which is equally unhealthy but supposedly makes people live longer?
What is the connection between a correlation and an explanation ? I see none. Zero. Nada.
It is pretty common to interpret r^2 as the fraction of variance in one variable “explained by” the other. Here, ramen restaurant prevalence and mortality are reported to be correlated at r=0.5 to r=0.6, so r^2=0.25 to 0.36
Obviously, “explained” here doesn’t indicate something conceptual or causal—-it’s more like “accounted for”—-but the phrasing is probably too well established to change now.
And that's sort of my point...It doesn't seem plausible to me that ramen would be that deadly, so I suspect there's some other unmodelled factor that drives both restaurant prevalence and mortality. For example, maybe ramen is more popular in poorer/more rural areas, which have worse medical care/outcomes.
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#59So, the higher carbohydrate and salt content in restaurant style Ramen increases the chance of stroke.
I make Ramen at home about twice a week and double the vegetables and halve the noodles in Ramen recipes. After reading this article, I am going to try to reduce sodium also.
Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the connection between a correlation and an explanation ? I see none. Zero. Nada.
It is pretty common to interpret r^2 as the fraction of variance in one variable “explained by” the other. Here, ramen restaurant prevalence and mortality are reported to be correlated at r=0.5 to r=0.6, so r^2=0.25 to 0.36 Obviously, “explained” here doesn’t indicate something conceptual or causal—-it’s more like “accounted for”—-but the phrasing is probably too well established to change now. And that's sort of my…
The authors discuss this in the paper's Discussion.
The prevalence of ramen restaurants is suggested as an indicator of general food preferences in the regions studied. Regions that have a higher prevalence of ramen restaurants also tend to have a higher salt intake in general. This can be seen by the increased use of soy sauce and miso compared to other regions in Japan (from personal experience, these regions are famous throughout Japan for their high-salt diets).
So I'd say that the authors are very careful to clarify that they are not implying any sort of causal relationship between ramen restaurants and stroke mortality, and I don't think anyone reading the paper would assume that either.