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San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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Freaking supes. They treat SF like their little political science experiment and nothing of note ever gets done. Just let them build. Do something about the car break-ins and package thefts. You know, govern the damn city.

I know this will never happen, and I'm sure is not a popular opinion, but San Francisco needs a Bloomberg/Giuliani (pre-nutcase) style Republican to come in and clean house. Sometimes that is needed, and sometimes the opposite is needed; otherwise you get run away situations like deep red and deep blue areas that progress backwards.

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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The supes are a ridiculous hypocritical bunch. They hem and haw about building in the city, but they’re okay with bullying a neighboring community[1] in a different county into building (they threatened Brisbane, down the road, an independent jurisdiction in another county!!) [1] https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/04/san-francisco-supervi...

A friend points out that Yee is Supervisor for District 7 [1], which is essentially entirely zoned as 40-X [2] (40 foot height limit) and mostly RH-1 and RH-2 [3] (single-family homes and two-unit residential respectively). As the N-Judah line runs through it, the SB 50 bill would immediately cause entire swaths of his District to be upzoned fairly dramatically. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Yee [2] http…

The N-Judah runs north of his district, District 7 does have West Portal and Forest Hill stations though and some part of the M-Oceanview route.

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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To understand this, you need to realize that San Francisco politics is a perpetual no-holds-barred fight between two factions within the local Democratic Party: the "Moderates" and the "Progressives" (although the Progs also contain some members of other parties, like the Greens and the DSA). The Progs hate the Mods with a burning passion and are constantly trying to undercut them. Generally, Moderates tend to win ci…

Being progressive and being a NIMBY aren’t compatible ideologies.

Moderates favor market-based solutions, progressives favor heavier government intervention (which NIMBY is).

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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Freaking supes. They treat SF like their little political science experiment and nothing of note ever gets done. Just let them build. Do something about the car break-ins and package thefts. You know, govern the damn city.

I know this will never happen, and I'm sure is not a popular opinion, but San Francisco needs a Bloomberg/Giuliani (pre-nutcase) style Republican to come in and clean house. Sometimes that is needed, and sometimes the opposite is needed; otherwise you get run away situations like deep red and deep blue areas that progress backwards.

Hope springs eternal but we’d have to change the city charter so we’d have city-wide elections.

It doesn’t matter what stripe, but yeah we need someone with determination to come in and clean house like after the Koch era.

People are so fed up neighbors in the west part of the city are wondering out loud if it’s possible to secede from the city while remaining in the county cuz they just want a government which takes care of the hoi polloi. The police don’t even want to bother with robberies unless it involved a weapon because the DA won’t take the cases and the perps are instead given citations...

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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You are asking a cartel to vote to increase supply and decrease prices. That's not what cartels do.

The term "cartel" is interesting here, if the power structure is indeed the voting population of San Francisco being predominantly homeowners, then as those homeowners are the suppliers of the housing market, it is a cartel in form.

San Francisco has its own unique issues but local government in pretty much any upscale suburb in America is effectively a homeowner cartel.

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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because the supervisors are just acting in the short term best interest of property owners. limit supply and prices will go up. they're all on the take.

Aren’t those the people that make up their communities?

The money going into SF is big enough these days(just look at the city budget, it's a multiple of similarly large cities elsewhere in the US) that the government has fallen into a default of over-regulating everything and then carving out shortcuts and excemptions, and this isn't a new trend, even - SF has always been expensive but the pay-to-play system really started picking up steam with Willie Brown's mayorship back in the 90's, amid the original dot-com boom.

When a city is "hot" and the working population is very transient, which is the case with SF's new tech workforce, nobody is really being a watchdog. The existing property owners will drift along, yelling about anything that might concievably affect their property values, and they get thrown bones to stay complacent since they're the most consistent voters. But they don't pay rent, and the majority of the workers still expect to be here as a career stepping stone and then move on to somewhere that doesn't suck, and so they put up with the rent and don't put down roots. People staying long-term under rent control hang onto their position for as long as they can. There's a lot of kicking cans down roads going on, hence the system trundles on.

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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Really the problem is San Francisco voters. How many tech people actually vote?

Tech population is mixed of US citizens and immigrant workers. But yeah, I would say that even American tech workers do not reliably vote.

You just accept the situation and pay since you make good salary. If you can't afford it, move somewhere else.

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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because the supervisors are just acting in the short term best interest of property owners. limit supply and prices will go up. they're all on the take.

This is such a sophomoric take on a complicated issue. Speaking as a long-time renter who is now a property owner, I almost never think about things in terms of “limiting supply”, and as far as I can tell, my neighbors don’t either. They do care a lot about things that you’d expect a non-cartoon-villian to care about: neighborhood quality, schools, access to daylight, preservation of views, congestion, etc. While I’m…

I keep coming back to parts of San Francisco are already over 60,000 people per square mile. People talk about more housing and talk zero about infrastructure. Want to pack more people in? Where the fuck are the subways?

Re: San Francisco supervisors opposing bill to increase housing density

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend points out that Yee is Supervisor for District 7 [1], which is essentially entirely zoned as 40-X [2] (40 foot height limit) and mostly RH-1 and RH-2 [3] (single-family homes and two-unit residential respectively). As the N-Judah line runs through it, the SB 50 bill would immediately cause entire swaths of his District to be upzoned fairly dramatically. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Yee [2] http…

The N-Judah runs north of his district, District 7 does have West Portal and Forest Hill stations though and some part of the M-Oceanview route.

I read "parts of inner sunset" and assumed it would include the Judah part but didn't bother to think to look at the map:

https://sfgov.org/ccsfgsa/sites/default/files/2000%20Census%...

which does seem to show that 7 borders the Judah line (on Judah itself). But to be fair, I'd assumed District 7 went to the park and that it included part of the UCSF area.

So he's getting hit by MUNI lines on both sides :).

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