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World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by lonelappde »

headmelted wrote: post #94
room271 wrote: post #13

People may not understand how big an achievement this is. Yes you need a lot of good fortune, but there are 7m players of FPL. For most, getting into the top 100k is seen as a good result for the end of the season. Magus is clearly a massive football fan though - he talks about it a lot on his livestreams etc.

Wouldn’t this also infer that Magnus has understood the mechanics of the game more than almost anyone else? By which I mean to say couldn’t this translate indirectly to an edge (I realize FPL and predicting individual match outcomes are very different) in sports betting? I’m ordinarily utterly skeptical of any such suggestion, but Magnus thinks at a level beyond my understanding so what do I know?

Imply, not infer.

But yes, the people who know a knowledge-based game better are better at playing it.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by larnmar »

fgonzag wrote: post #35
rsync wrote: post #26

Just to clarify, as I myself was confused, this Fantasy Football is not American Football, but ... actual football which Americans refer to as soccer.

5.7 billion people refer to it as football, 300 million refer to it as soccer. Any time you see the word football and any non American person, it's probably talking about association football.

In English, though, the distribution of meaning of the word “football” is more like:

340 million: Grid Iron

60 million: soccer

15 million: Aussie Rules (proper footy)

10 million: Rugby League

5 million: Rugby Union

Probably some Gaelic Football in there too for good measure.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by kzrdude »

thom wrote: post #98
yesenadam wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems fairly pointless and meaningless to argue whether someone "is a genius" or not. Check out this recent short video of Magnus being shown and recognizing positions from Vishy Anand games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVvkz4MsKc Common might be recognizing the opponent and next move (I, patzer, got half right, also that the move against Lautier was h6!), but Magnus also remembers the year, tournament, most…

Do you have a video of other 2700+ players failing to do this? I've watched plenty of live tournament coverage, and it doesn't seem a rare skill. Not claiming they do it as well as the best player in the world, and arguably of all time, but this honestly just seems like table stakes at this level of the game. It's literally their job, every day, to study games and understand and recall new theory.

There are a few videos from the same channel with exactly that, and they do worse. But we can easily argue why Carlsen should excel at this -- he played WC matches against Anand, and he would have studied all of this as prep.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by crashbunny »

drcode wrote: post #83

Wow, that really obliterates two major assumptions I had about chess (1) that you can't win without 100% dedication to chess (2) that the skills are highly domain specific and not transferable.

Depends on what you consider chess-related work. I would put sleep, exercise, diet, meditation and other interests as chess-related work for a full-time chess player.

Even if you didn't, studying chess for more than 8 hours a day has diminishing returns, especially for older players like Carlsen.

One of the reasons older players don't continue to get better and start to get worse as they pass 40 is they find it hard to maintain high levels of concentration over a 4 hour game.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by thom »

kzrdude wrote: post #104
thom wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a video of other 2700+ players failing to do this? I've watched plenty of live tournament coverage, and it doesn't seem a rare skill. Not claiming they do it as well as the best player in the world, and arguably of all time, but this honestly just seems like table stakes at this level of the game. It's literally their job, every day, to study games and understand and recall new theory.

There are a few videos from the same channel with exactly that, and they do worse. But we can easily argue why Carlsen should excel at this -- he played WC matches against Anand, and he would have studied all of this as prep.

Sure, although I've seen Carlsen utterly unprepared against opponents countless times as well (and still win). I am just saying I see Jan Gustafsson (admittedly team Carlsen) doing this on air regularly. Anish Giri does it all the time. I've seen Grischuk do it every time he's in a commentary booth.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

#108

Post by crashbunny »

thom wrote: post #98
yesenadam wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems fairly pointless and meaningless to argue whether someone "is a genius" or not. Check out this recent short video of Magnus being shown and recognizing positions from Vishy Anand games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVvkz4MsKc Common might be recognizing the opponent and next move (I, patzer, got half right, also that the move against Lautier was h6!), but Magnus also remembers the year, tournament, most…

Do you have a video of other 2700+ players failing to do this? I've watched plenty of live tournament coverage, and it doesn't seem a rare skill. Not claiming they do it as well as the best player in the world, and arguably of all time, but this honestly just seems like table stakes at this level of the game. It's literally their job, every day, to study games and understand and recall new theory.

I thought they actively study and memorise their own games, games of players they currently play against, and games of past notable players. Part of that study and memorising is practising playing the game through from start to finish.

It's not like they accidentally memorised them after they see the game once.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by thom »

crashbunny wrote: post #108
thom wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a video of other 2700+ players failing to do this? I've watched plenty of live tournament coverage, and it doesn't seem a rare skill. Not claiming they do it as well as the best player in the world, and arguably of all time, but this honestly just seems like table stakes at this level of the game. It's literally their job, every day, to study games and understand and recall new theory.

I thought they actively study and memorise their own games, games of players they currently play against, and games of past notable players. Part of that study and memorising is practising playing the game through from start to finish. It's not like they accidentally memorised them after they see the game once.

Indeed. I'm willing to believe Magnus is one of the best at this (posted this link because I'm a huge fan!), but it's his job and has been since he was a boy, it's not really magic. And it's just demonstrably not the case that he goes into every game knowing every topical line, not does he really need to.
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