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Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by milchek »

drcode wrote: post #83

Wow, that really obliterates two major assumptions I had about chess (1) that you can't win without 100% dedication to chess (2) that the skills are highly domain specific and not transferable.

It's impressive.

I suppose you could say there are some skills from chess that are very transferable to something like managing a fantasy sports team; the ability to predict or prepare for certain outcomes and the ability to manage and minimize risk being two that come to mind.

It also helps that Carlsen is a football fan and has domain knowledge there that assist him in employing these skills.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by trynewideas »

Hah... just noticed he's in a "Grandmaster League": https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/35182/standings/c

Sergej Movsesian (FIDE world #136)

Yúlia Movsesjan (Slovakian female #1)

Radosław Wojtaszek (World #27)

Jon Ludvig Hammer (second to Carlsen in WCC 2013)

etc.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by symplee »

trynewideas wrote: post #92

Hah... just noticed he's in a "Grandmaster League": https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/35182/standings/c Sergej Movsesian (FIDE world #136) Yúlia Movsesjan (Slovakian female #1) Radosław Wojtaszek (World #27) Jon Ludvig Hammer (second to Carlsen in WCC 2013) etc.

For comparison, these are the ranks of the other grandmasters in the group:

  rank       rank / 7,182,778 players:
  ____________________________________
  1 -------- 0.0000139%
  23,365 --- 0.3252920%
  238,352 -- 3.3183818%
  391,870 -- 5.4556886%
  448,139 -- 6.2390763%
  510,354 -- 7.1052454%
  602,723 -- 8.3912241%
  726,511 -- 10.1146242%
  728,141 -- 10.1373173%
  2,011,481  28.0042207%
  2,258,848  31.4481110%
  3,993,041  55.5918755%
  5,015,777  69.8306004%

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by headmelted »

room271 wrote: post #13

People may not understand how big an achievement this is. Yes you need a lot of good fortune, but there are 7m players of FPL. For most, getting into the top 100k is seen as a good result for the end of the season. Magus is clearly a massive football fan though - he talks about it a lot on his livestreams etc.

Wouldn’t this also infer that Magnus has understood the mechanics of the game more than almost anyone else?

By which I mean to say couldn’t this translate indirectly to an edge (I realize FPL and predicting individual match outcomes are very different) in sports betting?

I’m ordinarily utterly skeptical of any such suggestion, but Magnus thinks at a level beyond my understanding so what do I know?

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by yesenadam »

thom wrote: post #82
maestrokuro wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carlsen isn't a chess genius. He's a genius who plays chess. The guy can recall chess positions from games he played as a teenager. (I played a few games of chess today morning and I can barely remember the openings I played!)

To be honest, that's a really common ability for most elite chess players, who by the time they are teenagers are already grandmasters and have been playing for the best part of 10 years. Not to deny Magnus is a genius, though.

It seems fairly pointless and meaningless to argue whether someone "is a genius" or not.

Check out this recent short video of Magnus being shown and recognizing positions from Vishy Anand games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVvkz4MsKc

Common might be recognizing the opponent and next move (I, patzer, got half right, also that the move against Lautier was h6!), but Magnus also remembers the year, tournament, most of the game etc. He has a remarkable memory, and studies a lot of games, past and present – because he loves doing it.

Bobby Fischer was similar, from what I hear. I've read quite a few stories of people from around the world meeting him and he'd say "I liked your game against X 10 years ago but you should have played move Y" and they were amazed he'd even heard of them, let alone studied their obscure games. (This was pre-internet and pre-computer-analysis)

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by thom »

symplee wrote: post #93
trynewideas wrote: post #92

Hah... just noticed he's in a "Grandmaster League": https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/35182/standings/c Sergej Movsesian (FIDE world #136) Yúlia Movsesjan (Slovakian female #1) Radosław Wojtaszek (World #27) Jon Ludvig Hammer (second to Carlsen in WCC 2013) etc.

For comparison, these are the ranks of the other grandmasters in the group: rank rank / 7,182,778 players: ____________________________________ 1 -------- 0.0000139% 23,365 --- 0.3252920% 238,352 -- 3.3183818% 391,870 -- 5.4556886% 448,139 -- 6.2390763% 510,354 -- 7.1052454% 602,723 -- 8.3912241% 726,511 -- 10.1146242% 728,141 -- 10.1373173% 2,011,481 28.0042207% 2,258,848 31.4481110% 3,993,041 55.5918755% 5,015,777…

Towering football geniuses, the lot of them:

https://en.chessbase.com/post/three-million-view-chess-playe...

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

karussell wrote: post #89
drcode wrote: post #83

Wow, that really obliterates two major assumptions I had about chess (1) that you can't win without 100% dedication to chess (2) that the skills are highly domain specific and not transferable.

I still think that chess skills are highly domain specific, but it clearly shows he has more than one skill that he dominates.

He might have mastered one skill (or has a trait) that allows him to dominate both chess and FPL.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by thom »

yesenadam wrote: post #95
thom wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, that's a really common ability for most elite chess players, who by the time they are teenagers are already grandmasters and have been playing for the best part of 10 years. Not to deny Magnus is a genius, though.

It seems fairly pointless and meaningless to argue whether someone "is a genius" or not. Check out this recent short video of Magnus being shown and recognizing positions from Vishy Anand games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVvkz4MsKc Common might be recognizing the opponent and next move (I, patzer, got half right, also that the move against Lautier was h6!), but Magnus also remembers the year, tournament, most…

Do you have a video of other 2700+ players failing to do this? I've watched plenty of live tournament coverage, and it doesn't seem a rare skill. Not claiming they do it as well as the best player in the world, and arguably of all time, but this honestly just seems like table stakes at this level of the game. It's literally their job, every day, to study games and understand and recall new theory.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by hhmc »

School-Cotton wrote: post #19
hhmc wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s known as fantasy football to anyone outside of North America.

Regardless, the parent comment was useful to me and I assume others. Perhaps I should have assumed association football was meant, since Magnus is European, but for whatever reason I didn't. Fantasy American football is extremely popular in the US, so I think a lot of people would automatically assume that's what was meant. And yes, we're aware that people in different countries use different words for things. (And n…

Fantastic, if you're aware that people in different countries use different words for things, then you can also recognize that GP condescendingly correcting to "fantasy soccer" is unnecessary.

Re: World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen Is Now World Fantasy Premier League #1

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Post by boomboomsubban »

ByThyGrace wrote: post #90
daxfohl wrote: post #59

I wonder how Messi would do on Fantasy Chess League.

Is there even such a thing as a Fantasy Chess league?

Yes, basically every sport now has someone running a fantasy version.
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