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America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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With high doses every day you can develop an insane tolerance to amphetamines. 500mg in a day wouldn’t be that unusual.

Even at low, prescribed, dosages, I find myself needing to take a day or two off each week to avoid building a tolerance. I'm not sure if others experience the same thing, but I can absolutely feel the effects slipping away, even after just 10 days of continuous use.

Same here, but found out that chelated magnesium puts a stop to this.

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I would disagree that today’s youth are suffering because ‘reality sucks’. If anything the youth of today have it better than ever before. In 1950 [at least in the USA] a youth would not have had access to reliable information on possible career choices and outcomes apart from maybe a school counselor, now that information is available instantly on the internet. Likewise reality would have really sucked had the youth…

There is more to life than contraception and psychological counselling. A chance at a steady job, the ability to save money, the opportunity to start a family, the prospect of retiring with a Social Security check, and confidence in the ecological future of the planet come to mind.

Meanwhile new CS grads are regularly getting $170k+ annual pay packages at large tech companies.

There’s a disparity of experience out there.

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I've long suspected that a lot of illegal drug usage is actually an attempt on self-medication

s/illegal// Alcohol is a very popular form of self-medication.

Also sugar.

I might call industrial food in general a drug -- the refined addictive parts of plants mostly like opiates, cocaine, etc

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5mg of amphetamine, while a light dose, is much stronger than a strong cup of coffee.

How do you measure "strength"? It's probably more euphoric, might result in higher "alertness" (based on some arbitrary test), on the other hand though it probably wouldn't raise your heart rate more than the coffee, or your blood pressure.

It would do all of those things more than a typical cup of coffee; 5mg amphetamine is the lowest common dose (something like a 6-8oz cup of coffee), whereas 10-20mg is more common.

A small 8oz coffee has ~120mg caffeine, and a 12oz cup has ~180mg. a 10mg amphetamine has considerably stronger effects on the CNS than even 180mg caffeine, and a far greater psychoactive effect.

We are of course assuming a "typical" individual; there are those who have extreme jitteryness off half a cup of coffee, as there are those who experience myocardial events off typically therapeutic doses of amphetamine.

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One thing I hardly find documented is: what is the daily usage of the hard core users? How does it compare to the 10-60 mg daily dosages prescribed for ADHD

With high doses every day you can develop an insane tolerance to amphetamines. 500mg in a day wouldn’t be that unusual.

I know it affects everyone differently, but I was prescribed Adderall for ADHD and at 30mg my heartrate was elevated by 25bpm, I didn't feel tired for ~28 hours and I was unable to drive because my brain would get convinced that I was standing still and the road was moving towards me.

I didn't take it a second time, and am now on Focalin.

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Perhaps this is the answer to this question https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

I tried to read it but didn't get the answer, I did get the good question: WTF happened in 1971? I have a dark suspicion that it has something to do with the rise of computers, of information economy. When some people can take advantage of computers and others can't that leads to income disparity.

Primarily the site implies moving off of the gold standard in 1971 was main trigger. This decouples the growth of money, value of assets, wages, productivity, etc. which all tracked together in the preceding thirty years.

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Interesting read. I've always assumed that prescription drug pushing and addiction problems were a modern phenomenon, so it's interesting to read about drug companies developing and pushing addictive drugs almost a century ago.

In addition to Coca-cola famously using coca leaves in its original recipe, 7 Up contained lithium citrate, a mood stabilizer.

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With high doses every day you can develop an insane tolerance to amphetamines. 500mg in a day wouldn’t be that unusual.

I know it affects everyone differently, but I was prescribed Adderall for ADHD and at 30mg my heartrate was elevated by 25bpm, I didn't feel tired for ~28 hours and I was unable to drive because my brain would get convinced that I was standing still and the road was moving towards me. I didn't take it a second time, and am now on Focalin.

You should have started with just 5mg. 30mg is a lot for an initial dosage.

Great that an alternative seems to be working for you though.

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