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The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

3pt14159 wrote: post #3

It's also more subtly curved than most people give it credit for. I know a guy that is creating 3D models of the truck for some people that want to simulate it in simulated wind-tunnel. He was flabbergasted at how much they could keep the straight looking form while also smuggling in critical curvatures here and there to stop eddy currents from forming.

I'm guessing you mean turbulent eddies (which form in a fluid) rather than eddy currents (which form inside metals subjected to changing magnetic fields).

In any case, it's impossible to stop eddy currents from forming. Any car, even if it's as slippery as a LMP1 prototype, will generate lots of turbulent eddies. The question is, how bad will the drag coefficient be.

And that's a question you won't be able to answer with simulations unless you have a few tens to hundreds of millions of CPU-hours lying around.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by darkr »

thaeli wrote: post #20
andrewflnr wrote: post #9

Brutalist philosophy always sounds cool with its honesty and showing of how it works. But then you look at what it actually produces and it's usually, you know, brutal. If brutalist architects could just find it in their hearts to make their buildings have nice shapes along with all the other properties, maybe they wouldn't be so reviled.

There are exceptions. The Washington DC Metro, for instance.

London has plenty of well-loved and iconic brutalist examples. A far from complete list:

Barbican Estate, Southbank Centre/Royal Festival Hall, Centrepoint, The Brunswick

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by equalunique »

jessriedel wrote: post #28

tl;dr: The Cybertruck is not brutalist because it's designers do not promote the same politics as brutalist architects: > But Banham and his fellow brutalists had a purpose behind their intense design, something more than just a building. > And on this, Pasnik, argues, the two groups — Brutalists and Tesla designers — couldn’t be more different.... > “The truck is consumerist, whereas brutalism’s monumentality is civ…

To me the truck seems more in line with Futurism.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by oh_sigh »

arbitrage wrote: post #15
msla wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Behold the power of a mistranslation: > The term ‘brutalism’ was coined by the British architects Alison and Peter Smithson, and popularised by the architectural historian Reyner Banham in 1954. It derives from ‘Béton brut’ (raw concrete) and was first associated in architecture with Le Corbusier, who designed the Cite Radieuse in Marseilles in the late-1940s. But since the word can be used as an insult in English, i…

linguistic shift. meanings and etymologies can drift over time. in english, in the modern age, brutalist implies brutality.

No, it doesn't. No one is describing, say, the Geisel Library as 'brutal', unless they've heard that it is Brutalist and didn't understand the etymology.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by heavyset_go »

augustocallejas wrote: post #48
no_flags wrote: post #36

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I believe that comes from a satirical Facebook page, but in an effort for a serious response, this page does a decent job categorizing the different sub-genres: http://www.fourfa.com/styles/index.htm

Iterations of that copypasta have existed for like two decades.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by prestonh »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #22

Brutalist or not, it’s not real. That car as shown will absolutely not pass crash testing, European homologation and pedestrian impact, both issues with it being 1/8” stainless steel panels (separate discussion how those make no damn sense!). It has no mirrors, or wipers. What has been shown is a roughly drawn concept. Anyone that thinks they’re going to get exactly that and exactly for $40,000 hasn’t been around the…

I know nothing about cars, but I've been wondering how anything remotely resembling what was shown could pass a crash test. It's going to have to be radically transformed, so why bother even showing a design at this point?

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by NoodleIncident »

jessriedel wrote: post #28

tl;dr: The Cybertruck is not brutalist because it's designers do not promote the same politics as brutalist architects: > But Banham and his fellow brutalists had a purpose behind their intense design, something more than just a building. > And on this, Pasnik, argues, the two groups — Brutalists and Tesla designers — couldn’t be more different.... > “The truck is consumerist, whereas brutalism’s monumentality is civ…

> the sleek machined quality of the Cybertruck is ultimately a disqualifying characteristic

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by jessriedel »

NoodleIncident wrote: post #57
jessriedel wrote: post #28

tl;dr: The Cybertruck is not brutalist because it's designers do not promote the same politics as brutalist architects: > But Banham and his fellow brutalists had a purpose behind their intense design, something more than just a building. > And on this, Pasnik, argues, the two groups — Brutalists and Tesla designers — couldn’t be more different.... > “The truck is consumerist, whereas brutalism’s monumentality is civ…

> the sleek machined quality of the Cybertruck is ultimately a disqualifying characteristic

That's a terrible objection (and is not the primary one made in the article, hence "tl;dr"). Brutalist architecture is highly machined, and many famous examples are sleek, e.g., The Paulistano Athletic Club Gymnasium.

Re: The Cybertruck is not brutalist

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Post by andrewflnr »

et2o wrote: post #37
thaeli wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are exceptions. The Washington DC Metro, for instance.

Regenstein Library at U of Chicago too

Ooh, I kind of like that one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenstein_Library#/media/File... Having all the trees in the frame helps. Maybe we just need more trees.
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