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America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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Are you familiar with the rat park experiment? You’re making claims directly supported by its findings. One of the most interesting was that happy rats who had pleasant quarters and social interaction would choose not to take drugs (morphine, iirc) even if they had used them previously. Pretty interesting stuff.

The opposite of addiction is connection.

Addiction is a disease of loneliness.

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Do you want to reduce drug addiction? Make the world a better place. Everyone suffers so much. Loneliness, depression and anxiety and becoming more prevalent. These are increased risk factors for addiction.

Are you familiar with the rat park experiment? You’re making claims directly supported by its findings. One of the most interesting was that happy rats who had pleasant quarters and social interaction would choose not to take drugs (morphine, iirc) even if they had used them previously. Pretty interesting stuff.

Johann Hari has written extensively on the subject in his book Connections. I am a little nervous to link to joe rogan here but fuck it, here's a good interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDpjvFn4wgM

I do not 100% agree with Hari, who focuses almost exclusively on environmental factors. They are important but not the complete picture, IMO - there are physiological components too; alcohol dependency to me appears to be a clear-cut malfunctioning of the brain's reinforcement-based learning system. Environment exacerbates this, yes, but is perhaps not the root cause, or at least is not the sole actor in what is a pretty complicated drama.

Re: America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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Are you familiar with the rat park experiment? You’re making claims directly supported by its findings. One of the most interesting was that happy rats who had pleasant quarters and social interaction would choose not to take drugs (morphine, iirc) even if they had used them previously. Pretty interesting stuff.

The opposite of addiction is connection.

Parrotting Hari I see. I like him, but it's more complicated than his series of picture-perfect anecdotes and name-dropped professors in every country he could persuade his publisher to send him to.

Naltrexone has substantially resolved hundreds of thousands of alcohol addiction presentations worldwide. Pharmacological remedies do exist. Connection is important, yes, but it is far from the whole picture. I do like Hari, like I said, but I feel like he is interested in selling himself and his story more than any particular desire to actually help.

Re: America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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The opposite of addiction is connection.

Addiction is a disease of loneliness.

Avoiding and staying out of HALT situations is an addiction recovery motto:

Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired

Re: America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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One thing I hardly find documented is: what is the daily usage of the hard core users? How does it compare to the 10-60 mg daily dosages prescribed for ADHD

With high doses every day you can develop an insane tolerance to amphetamines. 500mg in a day wouldn’t be that unusual.

Even at low, prescribed, dosages, I find myself needing to take a day or two off each week to avoid building a tolerance.

I'm not sure if others experience the same thing, but I can absolutely feel the effects slipping away, even after just 10 days of continuous use.

Re: America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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post #47

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With high doses every day you can develop an insane tolerance to amphetamines. 500mg in a day wouldn’t be that unusual.

Even at low, prescribed, dosages, I find myself needing to take a day or two off each week to avoid building a tolerance. I'm not sure if others experience the same thing, but I can absolutely feel the effects slipping away, even after just 10 days of continuous use.

For what its worth I've had good luck switching to Modafinil (And extra caffeine) on the weekends, to keep my tolerance down. I also like to take ~4+ day breaks every ~3 months or so, which helps a ton.

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What's next, "America's caffeine epidemic"? Interspersed with all this pedantry is a smarmy judgement towards stimulants and COMPLETE LACK of context of the times, and a lack of any societal or species context that recognizes the BREATHTAKING ACHIEVEMENTS during said times of "Oh so bad bad we should be ashamed it's an epidemic!" There's an undercurrent here that is almost criminal. The sin is not excess, certainly a…

I was using a moderate, prescribed dose of Vyvanse/Adderall, I've always basically always had ADHD type symptoms and it was never a huge issue, but I never took any pills until I was an adult in an attempt to focus and get promoted at my big 4 job.

It ended up backfiring as I had a manic/psychotic episode, which led to highly erratic behavior that led to me losing my job, burning all my career bridges, etc. Then I also got diagnosed with heart failure. Almost ruined my life in every sense.

Since then I'm just totally sober, off all meds, and fortunately my brain and heart have both fully recovered. Were there other factors that triggered the episode, sure, did I probably have some predisposition to these issues, sure, but I highly suspect that the ADHD meds played a major role in triggering it all and I would highly caution people against them.

Re: America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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> as cocaine became the focus in the 80’s Well, we know more about this one now, thanks Reagan and Iran-Contra.

That cocaine didn't buy itself.

That cocaine that people purchased didn't manufacture and distribute itself across international borders.

Re: America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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> as cocaine became the focus in the 80’s Well, we know more about this one now, thanks Reagan and Iran-Contra.

That cocaine didn't buy itself.

To some degrees, it did though; the market was flooded and dealers on the U.S. government take have said that they couldn't sell it fast enough.
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