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The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
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Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#532Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the so called 'male-chosen' professions generally have higher risk of serious health consequences, injuries or death.
It's true that men tend to hold more of the physically dangerous professions, but the ones well known for being high paying, like software engineering or finance, generally don't fit that model.
If we talk about gender equality why take into consideration only part of the picture not a whole? Is it fair?
Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#533It all comes down to equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome. When there is equality of opportunity women choose different fields...often (but not always) because of different interests. Equality of outcome forces people to do things that they may not have an interest in. And that is before you get into interests vs natural talent and how that does or does not affect ones success in a field. On a fundamental l…
> I'm sure this will be down voted, but it is what it is. I totally agree with you but I hate that you had to end with that line. It's pointless and simply shuts down any useful discussion and implies that 'you disagree/downvote with me because I'm right'.
That was my thought as well. I read a good post, then my dominant thought was changed to a negative slant because of an entirely unecessary -- and probably very inaccurate -- note of paranoid self-defense.
Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#534Earlier quoted context omitted.
Woman lawyer from Wall Street here. That’s about as “Old Boys Club” as it gets. When I left law to pursue tech I figured it couldn’t possibly be as bad as what I was leaving behind. I was so wrong. Silicon Valley is infinitely more difficult to navigate and less welcoming. The major difference (in my opinion) is that the Old Boys Club owns it. They know they’re not welcoming to women and for the most part they don’t…
Given the rampant discrimination against men that exists in the modern tech sector and that even stating "maybe women naturally prefer to do other jobs than tech" gets you fired, what exactly do you have in mind that would make it even more welcoming?
Perhaps the ironic, unintended result that you describe is part of the reason for her experience?
Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#535Earlier quoted context omitted.
That list is obviously a bit whack (how can being a pilot possibly be the third most dangerous job in the US?) But yeah, many of those jobs have a skewed gender distribution in significant part due to sexist stereotypes.
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-f... I ignored the "for men" qualifier as it seems obvious that these are the most dangerous jobs period.
Is that really that obvious? Given that nursing and nursing assitant jobs are amoung the most dangerous and the fact that the vast majority of those jobs are filled with women, your willingness to erase an important aspect of a headline is a good example of the bias that this entire discussion is centered around.
Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#536Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, don't forget all the shitty careers, with long hours, danger, and significant health hazards. Not much equality of outcome on those either. Somehow no one is claiming sexism is the cause of disparity for those.
Actually, a lot of people are saying that sexism is the cause of disparity in those cases. It's a commonplace observation that sexism harms men as well as women. Historically, the professions you're alluding to have been closed to women by men . So for example, the reason that women couldn't serve in the military until relatively recently is not that women used their power and influence within society to get a pass o…
Side note: it's interesting that it's these male-dominant fields that have the noble "serve" descriptor associated with them. Given that women have dominated the fields of educating children and nursing our sick, it seems that these are more deserving of the serving label rather than those who destroy.
Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#537As a woman who worked in stem, stem has very bad payoff for me.
It takes a lot of work/efforts to get anywhere if you want to do real work in stem.
It's much easier for me to give talks and become a influencer as lots of men follow me on social media.
So why should I scarifice opportunity meet powerful men in social setting through my work and spend my young/pretty years at a desk job where no one will notice me?
My grandmother told me, men value young women so don't waste your pretty years.
Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#538Young women has lot more options than your young men.
I can signal a man with Ferrari on the road and he will let me spend my time with him but the chances of man getting the same treatment is next to nothing.
Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#539Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And lots of people are investing lots of time and effort into trying to fix that problem Are they? I worked in the mental health space for over 10 years and almost 80% of therapists are women -- and a vast majority of those are white women. There hasn't been any significant movement to "fix" that despite a very compelling argument that finding a therapist who is a good match to a patient is fundamental to the succe…
It's a matter of power. There extremely few women CEOs, or millionaires, in positions of power. Legally they have all the same rights, sure, but all these power structures are men's clubs. IT is one of those, it's a matter of power, but much less ambitious.
It’s a sad reflection of the current world that you were downvoted. It is a matter of power. If it wasn’t professions typicalLy associated with care taking , I.e. women, would not be lower paid than professions associated with men. People in power, mainly men, decide which should be more valued and guess what they tend to value more? Historically software engineering started more a women dominated field (men were in the more valued hardware field then) and as software became more important it became increasingly defined as a men’s field and theories then prop up that it’s the natural way, men are simply more inclined than women. Bollocks!
Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)
#540It all comes down to equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome. When there is equality of opportunity women choose different fields...often (but not always) because of different interests. Equality of outcome forces people to do things that they may not have an interest in. And that is before you get into interests vs natural talent and how that does or does not affect ones success in a field. On a fundamental l…
I don't understand why modern society doesn't understand/want to believe that men and women have different career interests than men. Men and women value things differently, and it's not all because of society.
i hate this argument so much! it has been thrown in my face soooooooo many times...
it's the go-to excuse managers and sales people use to tell a woman in IT that she's weird for doing what she does.
even in teams with 90% men, it was almost never the men in the team that were the problem, but almost always those looking in on the team: managers, sales people, marketeers, project managers, journalists, ...
please, stop telling women they are weird for wanting to work in IT or for enjoying their IT job.