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Re: Brexit: Conservatives winning majority in UK parliament

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Post by Luc »

nicky0 wrote: post #14
xchaotic wrote: post #2

This has bigger and impact on startup ecosystem worldwide than say a new framework etc but no one is discussing this. I wonder if people gave up on the idea that tech can help make informed decisions ? It looks like people voted off their emotions and based on what they would like to happen (UK being a sovereign empire again) and not based on what is realistic- a bunch of trade deals that are worse off than being in…

Voting Conservartive in this election was very much an informed choice for many. The alternative was voting in a marxist.

The real alternative was a coalition government, surely?

Re: Brexit: Conservatives winning majority in UK parliament

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Post by smitty1e »

happymellon wrote: post #10
vanniv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems these days like every time someone sees an election that doesn't go their way, they assume that the voters on the other side were clearly all imbeciles voting for their own destruction. That's an incredibly naive and narcissistic view of the world.

What would be the pros to Brexit?

Stand by for a smashing Anglosphere trade deal.

Re: Brexit: Conservatives winning majority in UK parliament

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Post by nicky0 »

happymellon wrote: post #19
nicky0 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving to a more positive relationship with Europe.

What do you mean by this? How would Brexit make the relationship positive, because the UK doesn't want the same things as the EU so they won't be in conflict?

The UK has always been a reluctant partner holding back EU ambitions of ever closer union. The EU will now be much freer to pursue federalism. The UK will now be a friend and partner, but no longer in the dysfunctional relationship.

It's like how divorced couples can often have a more positive relationship after the divorce than during the unhappy marriage.

Not as close a relationship, but a more healthy one.

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Post by thu2111 »

scarmig wrote: post #9
vanniv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems these days like every time someone sees an election that doesn't go their way, they assume that the voters on the other side were clearly all imbeciles voting for their own destruction. That's an incredibly naive and narcissistic view of the world.

I'm tired of this radical subjectivism anytime people vote for something stupid. Sometimes people cut off their nose to spite their face. Reading convoluted reasoning about how it was really actually rational from their perspective because reasons and values never adds anything, either.

That's a very convoluted way to say you aren't interested in debate or having an open mind. So be it.

Re: Brexit: Conservatives winning majority in UK parliament

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Post by thu2111 »

happymellon wrote: post #10
vanniv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems these days like every time someone sees an election that doesn't go their way, they assume that the voters on the other side were clearly all imbeciles voting for their own destruction. That's an incredibly naive and narcissistic view of the world.

What would be the pros to Brexit?

Power being more local and closer to the people. This is the fundamental advantage from which all others flow.

The EU is a highly centralising project. In many ways it's more centralising than the US federal government is, because the USA has a constitutional balance of powers (in theory) and has a tradition of state's rights. EU ideology recognises neither: there is no limit to the extent to which EU federalists wish to centralise power in Brussels. Some of them have talked about reducing national parliaments to the status of tourist attractions.

It's funny - usually the Hacker News set is excited about decentralisation, peer to peer networks, end to end encryption, and all other projects that give people control over their own digital lives. But when the British vote for more control over their lives, outside of the internet context, suddenly it's all obvious stupidity and can't ever be better than being controlled by a foreign power.

If you can't see any cons to the EU, you shouldn't be able to see any cons to Google completely controlling the internet. After all, it's rather convenient in many ways to have them do so: all very consistent, one passport for every website etc.

Re: Brexit: Conservatives winning majority in UK parliament

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Post by pintxo »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #4

The tech cynicism that’s growing in me is just waiting to see if it was fakenews on Twitter, or Russian ads on Facebook, or Macedonian teens with clickbait, Nazis or something entirely new to blame these elections on. It seems there is always a “reason” to lose elections now. I don’t know when everything had to become a scandal and “well, it seems less people agree with me than it took to elect the side I preferred”…

I second the „meddling“ in elections part. If we accept the notion that it’s easily possible to manipulate the people into voting for whomever then the problem is not the meddling but the possibility of people being manipulated.

As this means anyone could do this. I vote for a Marshall Plan for general education.

Re: Brexit: Conservatives winning majority in UK parliament

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Post by kolleykibber »

vanniv wrote: post #6
xchaotic wrote: post #2

This has bigger and impact on startup ecosystem worldwide than say a new framework etc but no one is discussing this. I wonder if people gave up on the idea that tech can help make informed decisions ? It looks like people voted off their emotions and based on what they would like to happen (UK being a sovereign empire again) and not based on what is realistic- a bunch of trade deals that are worse off than being in…

It seems these days like every time someone sees an election that doesn't go their way, they assume that the voters on the other side were clearly all imbeciles voting for their own destruction. That's an incredibly naive and narcissistic view of the world.

But surely this can happen? It's clear social media marketing teams were used to go after the uneducated with slurs and memes in order to benefit the rich.

Re: Brexit: Conservatives winning majority in UK parliament

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Post by ananth22by7 »

thu2111 wrote: post #25
scarmig wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm tired of this radical subjectivism anytime people vote for something stupid. Sometimes people cut off their nose to spite their face. Reading convoluted reasoning about how it was really actually rational from their perspective because reasons and values never adds anything, either.

That's a very convoluted way to say you aren't interested in debate or having an open mind. So be it.

I really wish your comment wasn’t downvoted. I hear you.

Re: Brexit: Conservatives winning majority in UK parliament

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Post by golemotron »

JamesLefrere wrote: post #12
golemotron wrote: post #8

It’s amazing to me that tech people can see that monoculture makes systems fragile in security yet long for it in geopolitics. Brexit should happen. Catalan independence should have too.

The EU is not like the USA. We can have regional independence/self-governance and international cooperation, prosperity and peace, without needing a controlling national structure. Britain is and always has been a European island. We’ll be back in the EU in a generation or less.

The EU was a historical anomaly. A reaction to WW1 and WW2.
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