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Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

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post #17

The title makes it sound like there is a security issue with the cameras, but the "hacks" are from password leaks.

At some point we have to admit that passwords have not worked and the general public does not understand how to use them despite decades of education attempts. This problem would be entirely solved if they enforced the use of 2fa

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

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post #83
post #5

If you have a Ring camera pointed at the street, this is literally what you are asking for.

I have a camera pointed at the street but it is not a ring camera... am I asking for it?

Not necessarily. What security measures does the camera have implemented? Have you told the police that they are free to ask for footage?

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

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post #60

Once again there is no need for this, anyone using these kinds of systems are literally trading privacy over small value provided feature.

Being able to check on children remotely are not a small value to most working parents, or at least, not particularly smaller than most tech improvements in life.

If your children are too young to call you for an issue then they should not be left alone while you work.

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

#94

Completely beside the point, but how is a Discord live stream a "podcast"? Have media folks just started calling any streaming audio a "podcast" now?

They call themselves NulledCast. If they operate as and refer to themselves as a podcast, what are “media folks” supposed to call it?

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

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post #2

It's obviously bad to hack into a citizen's systems without consent, but there's some kind of value that might be created here. Ring cameras are basically being used as a gigantic police-partnered dragnet: Amazon’s Ring Planned Neighborhood “Watch Lists” Built on Facial Recognition https://theintercept.com/2019/11/26/amazon-ring-home-securit... If this provides a disincentivize to an average user buying Ring cameras,…

As someone who tends to fall on the side of privacy more often than not, I'm actually not sure how I feel about facial recog+home security cameras. I'm completely against any fully automated system where the police can have access to the camera's data. But on the other hand, what if the system was implemented completely locally, and all with the owner's control and permission? So your Ring app pops up and says "Hey,…

Consider that nobody breaks into your home/vehicles because it's fun. They do it out of desperation. I'm not alleging any ignorance on your part, it's just not the sort of thing we think about often.

The penalties for these crimes are already extremely severe.

So I fall on the side of, I'd rather change the system proximally to help those who resort to this sort of petty crime for cash so they don't need it, rather than making it easier for cops to put these people back into a system which enslaves and disenfranchises them for generations (leading to more crime), and in so doing gives them an excuse to monitor literally anyone else in your neighborhood without a warrant for any reason.

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a camera pointed at the street but it is not a ring camera... am I asking for it?

Not necessarily. What security measures does the camera have implemented? Have you told the police that they are free to ask for footage?

I prevent it from accessing the internet, but I guess they could hack my network and access it that way

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

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post #2

It's obviously bad to hack into a citizen's systems without consent, but there's some kind of value that might be created here. Ring cameras are basically being used as a gigantic police-partnered dragnet: Amazon’s Ring Planned Neighborhood “Watch Lists” Built on Facial Recognition https://theintercept.com/2019/11/26/amazon-ring-home-securit... If this provides a disincentivize to an average user buying Ring cameras,…

As someone who tends to fall on the side of privacy more often than not, I'm actually not sure how I feel about facial recog+home security cameras. I'm completely against any fully automated system where the police can have access to the camera's data. But on the other hand, what if the system was implemented completely locally, and all with the owner's control and permission? So your Ring app pops up and says "Hey,…

Would you be interested in a marketplace where video you record could be made available (indexed by time and location) for purchase by interested parties?

The goal here is to make video surveillance data equally accessible to police as to the general public for e.g. court defense, police brutality proof, insurance claims etc.

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

#98
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to figure out exactly how these ring hacks are happening. My whole family and extended family is concerned about them. So just to be clear, there isn't a known vuln with Ring specifically, right? It's just that people's email/passwords are getting popped somewhere else on the internet, and then because of password reuse their Ring account is also compromised? Is that the gist of it?

Thats it. And as messed up as it is maybe people will finally wake up to using better passwords. I'm really tired of local news covering this stuff and barely mentioning or not mentioning at all how the "hackers" are getting into the accounts.

Like they woke up after the first decade of facebook "hacks". Or more likely they will continue on as normal until we stop using passwords as the only source of authentication.

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a four season bike commuter, and have been wearing a helmet cam for the past year or so— it's just breathtaking the amount of small violations I catch on camera: I don't even go looking for them or dwell at hotspots, and I pick up probably 5-10 instances per week of things like cars turning right on red without fully stopping, going through stop signs without fully stopping, not fully yielding to pedestrians in c…

> As it is, it's a huge amount of effort to slice out these clips, upload them somewhere, figure out the plates involved, and then go through my police department's clunky incident reporting system. On the handful of times I've bothered to do it (like when I was almost creamed by someone running a red light), the response has been either nothing or "thanks but we just don't have time for that", or in one case an indi…

I don't really fancy myself anything other than a guy trying to get to work and back without dying. I'd like to be able to make that trip on a bicycle, for various reasons.

I had noted previously that these incidents were happening and that in many cases they made me feel unsafe. Various police contacts had told me that they didn't have time to be doing proactive enforcement. Submitting some reports was basically just checking to see which exact parts of the process they didn't feel they had time for— turns out it was basically all of it, unfortunately. But it was worth finding that out, I think, for the purposes of shaping other interactions with the PD, politicians, and local media.

In any case, the higher level of government takes these kinds of violations very seriously— not yielding to a pedestrian crosswalk is 4 demerits and a fine of up to $1000, so it really is up to my local PD to pick their priorities, and for whatever reason they choose not to enforce it.

Re: A podcast that hacks Ring camera owners live

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post #2

It's obviously bad to hack into a citizen's systems without consent, but there's some kind of value that might be created here. Ring cameras are basically being used as a gigantic police-partnered dragnet: Amazon’s Ring Planned Neighborhood “Watch Lists” Built on Facial Recognition https://theintercept.com/2019/11/26/amazon-ring-home-securit... If this provides a disincentivize to an average user buying Ring cameras,…

I wonder whether Nest cams are being used in a similar fashion.
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