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Only if your win is continuing devolution of the middle class.
Truck driving is not and has never been a middle-class occupation.
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Earn credits for Stadia - solve these realtime truck simulator captcha!
I would imagine that the current google captcha system has so much traffic, you could use it to power real time driving with static pictures. Set 20 people to tell you if there is a stop sign. 50 more to decide if that object in the road is dangerous or not. All you need is a decent number of responses coming back that agree.
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We need to create lots of jobs in other industries that allow living wages without a college degree. The government should massively incentivize: - solar farms - wind turbines - battery storage deployments - residential solar w/ batteries and grid-down operation (most grid-tied virtual battery solar stops working completely in a power outage) - achieve fusion power net output - elderly and disabled caregivers - offer…
These don't sound like drop in replacements for truck driving. A truck driver might not be able-bodied enough to install solar panels, might not be willing to take the pay cut or move to a new state where the job is.
A paying job is better than no job. And there is such a thing as minimum wage. And no reason to assume it'll necessarily be a pay cut. EDIT: And according to another comment further down this thread, trucker jobs don't even pay all that well.
> move to a new state where the job is.
Because that's worse than being away from home/family for long periods of time? I don't understand this logic.
Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days
#164“the truck drove mostly autonomously.” That last 10% is going to be a lot of work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-ninety_rule
So what if it drove itself down the freeway? This is literally the easiest thing that "self-driving" vehicles manage to do.
Did it fuel itself? Did it take exits and drive itself to the gas station? Where did the driver take over when it got near the delivery docks? Did the truck also get clearance and dock itself? Did the truck even pull itself out of the loading dock when it first embarked on it's trip? Those are the hard things to solve, and conveniently are omitted.
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What's interesting is that it seems that there's already a shortage of truck drivers out there, so it's not only displacement, but also filling of jobs which don't have enough people willing to take https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-24/u-s-truck...
Shortage of a certain type of labor is just an indicator that it doesn’t pay enough. I’ve also got a shortage of Tesla in my garage.
A good example in the labour market is doctors. While experience may vary, at least in the jurisdiction I live, it is illegal for a doctor to accept more money from me in order to prioritize my care. Instead, the law mandates that patients are prioritized first by need, second by order of contact (i.e. first come, first served). If the doctors are busy, there is no legal priced-based mechanism for me to incentivize directing their services to me, thus there can be a shortage.
I am doubtful that there could be a shortage in the trucking industry. I'm certain if I offered a 30% raise to just about any truck driver, they would jump ship to my operation in a heartbeat. I know of nothing external that would prevent me from doing that. Realistically, I might not be able to pay that much, but that simply means I was never in the market in the first place (as your comment about Tesla alludes to).
It is funny how the term shortage is used differently in the labour market when compared to other markets, like cars. I often wonder if it is because people once heard about doctor shortages, which can legitimately happen (depending on local laws), misinterpreted what was being said, and extended that misinterpretation to all types of labour.
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That just means that it doesn't pay enough though. Imagine this thought experiment, if you could make 1,000,000USD a year from being a truck driver, would you do it? Even if that job only has a 3-4 year lifespan? I suspect that most people would. Obviously 1,000,000 is _too much_, but conversely whatever the current rate is, is probably too low.
You're looking at the pay in isolation from other career options. Imagine you're 25 and looking for something long term. Do you do trucking knowing that it won't last and you'll have to change to something else later, or do you look for a different career instead? Everyone who thinks it through will choose something else. The current level of pay is attractive to truckers moving to other companies, but it's not much…
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#167For better or worse, millions of truck drivers are going to be displaced. Just like the way robots replaced manufacturing jobs. The best plan is to prepare, like Yang and others are saying: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/trucking-czar/ So we can soften the blow.
What's interesting is that it seems that there's already a shortage of truck drivers out there, so it's not only displacement, but also filling of jobs which don't have enough people willing to take https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-24/u-s-truck...
I found the segment: https://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2019/11/06/pbs-front...
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If the truck still requires a human for some tasks (intra-city, fuelling, etc.) but can be rated to legally drive itself for most of the trip, then the human could sleep / eat / etc. during those times they're not required. This would presumably let them avoid minimum stationary rest times etc. since they could get a full rest of sleep while the truck drives itself (on sufficiently long journeys). For owner-operators…
"most of the trip" So if I get woken up every 10 miles, am I really meeting the rest requirements?