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The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)

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Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)

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The headline does this article a disservice. The data does not boil down so cleanly (as the article itself points out clearly) and to leave out the other factors it discusses is to invite false conclusions. I realize that it's difficult to write a headline that is both scientifically precise and short, but the point remains.

What are you saying it leaves out? From my reading of the article the only obvious other cause would be that countries with lower gender equality also tend to have worse social support systems, which would allow people to pursue their desires more than otherwise - but that still leaves open the question of why those differences affect women more than men.

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)

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It sounds like women who grow up hearing they can be whoever they want to be tend to not want to be techies. I don't blame them. If I were any good at anything else I wouldn't do STEM for a living, either. It's a thankless job best outsourced.

Each to there own. I think it's a great life. I'd almost do my work for free. I can't imagine doing a job I hated long term.

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)

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post #12

It sounds like women who grow up hearing they can be whoever they want to be tend to not want to be techies. I don't blame them. If I were any good at anything else I wouldn't do STEM for a living, either. It's a thankless job best outsourced.

Each to there own. I think it's a great life. I'd almost do my work for free. I can't imagine doing a job I hated long term.

I’d absolutely write code for free. You need to pay me to come to your spreadsheet mine every day and work on your specific problems though.

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)

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This! I have said this so many times and all my girl friends hate me for it! I also believe in gender segregated schools(after HS and at university level). I am not advocating gender segregation but just gender segregated education. This is only a BS theory of mine..and so I am trying to work it into my hobby fiction writing. Please allow me to test it here for opinions. I think that in formative years, children shou…

What you are saying is that since you prefer something everyone should do the same.

And what you prefer is the correct choice for everyone ...

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)

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Gender equality means you can enter into whatever profession you choose and not be discriminated against. It's about equal rights, equal treatment, it does not mean that men and women are the same, it's not a mathematical equality.

Seems to me people are confusing conformity with social/political equality.

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM (2018)

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This! I have said this so many times and all my girl friends hate me for it! I also believe in gender segregated schools(after HS and at university level). I am not advocating gender segregation but just gender segregated education. This is only a BS theory of mine..and so I am trying to work it into my hobby fiction writing. Please allow me to test it here for opinions. I think that in formative years, children shou…

As a man, I'll say I absolutely agree. I went to an all-boys high school, and teenage boys simply do better without girls around. Boys are more likely to engage in not traditionally masculine activities when girls are not around because there is no need to impress. Furthermore, girls often mature faster than boys, and this leads to unnecessary stress for both girls and boys at this stage. Furthermore, a lot of what drives teenage boys is competing against other boys for attention from girls. This dynamic is messed up if there are girls around. This damages girls too. Girls often complain that boys are uninterested in competing with them. This is because beating a girl does nothing for boys. They want to compete with boys. If each gender has their space, they both get to flourish.

I don't think single sex environments harm future gender relations either. If anything, they make it better. Both genders need friends of the same gender uncomplicated by romantic feelings. Furthermore, from my own experience, the boys at my high school, and the girls at our sister school, found no trouble getting married, having kids, etc.

Speaking of our sister school, the women they produced were independent minded, competent, competitive, and had leadership experience. Without the need to compete with boys, the girls developed their own leadership and competitive structures that they excelled at.

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