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Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by baybal2 »

tyingq wrote: post #69
baybal2 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you understand the trick? If they acknowledge that they "stole" it, Mamut will then go to US and use it as a basis for his claims on the F5, which is like a million times bigger than this claim.

I imagine it's more complicated than that. Settlements can have terms (no admission of fault, etc), and claiming precedent across countries probably isn't straightforward.

Don't you think that these are not things that a person being asked to sign a paper under a gunpoint will think about?

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by chupasaurus »

ma2rten wrote: post #8
duelingjello wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the statue of limitations in Russia is under 10 years for most civil claims. Maybe someone can clarify what are the actual charges and what would the statute of limitations be? If statute of limitations ran out, maybe the corporate lawyer can get this thrown out quickly?

I don't think it works like that. The supposed copyright violation is ongoing.

I should remind you that there was a 1:342 ratio of "Not guilty" to "Guilty" decisions on the criminal cases in Russia last year, and the it's declining year-to-year.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by account73466 »

auiya wrote: post #32
ivan4th wrote: post #26

I see it this way (being a Russian): it's not a copyright claim issue, but rather a hostage situation with bandits involved (a.k.a Russian authorities), and what they want is ransom so that top #1-2 nginx contributors don't go to jail for some 10 years.

It feels like an intelligence shakedown. Nginx has a rather large install base. FSB would love to have an entry point in it I'm sure, or maybe they previously had one and are trying to gain it back?

or maybe or maybe ...

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by anonymousjunior »

auiya wrote: post #32
ivan4th wrote: post #26

I see it this way (being a Russian): it's not a copyright claim issue, but rather a hostage situation with bandits involved (a.k.a Russian authorities), and what they want is ransom so that top #1-2 nginx contributors don't go to jail for some 10 years.

It feels like an intelligence shakedown. Nginx has a rather large install base. FSB would love to have an entry point in it I'm sure, or maybe they previously had one and are trying to gain it back?

This is what's really concerning. If FSB was able to actually implement something and shell all nginx boxes (and thusly obtain SSL certs, intercept communications, etc..) imagine how much access they'd have.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by account73466 »

anonymousjunior wrote: post #75
auiya wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like an intelligence shakedown. Nginx has a rather large install base. FSB would love to have an entry point in it I'm sure, or maybe they previously had one and are trying to gain it back?

This is what's really concerning. If FSB was able to actually implement something and shell all nginx boxes (and thusly obtain SSL certs, intercept communications, etc..) imagine how much access they'd have.

Then they would definitely advertise it by attacking the company so that the whole world would know about their secret backdoor. Very smart, indeed!

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by penagwin »

anonymousjunior wrote: post #75
auiya wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like an intelligence shakedown. Nginx has a rather large install base. FSB would love to have an entry point in it I'm sure, or maybe they previously had one and are trying to gain it back?

This is what's really concerning. If FSB was able to actually implement something and shell all nginx boxes (and thusly obtain SSL certs, intercept communications, etc..) imagine how much access they'd have.

On the flip side I feel like nginx has too high of a profile. It'd be better to target some other low level system package or npm/pip module, etc.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by true_religion »

account73466 wrote: post #76
anonymousjunior wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what's really concerning. If FSB was able to actually implement something and shell all nginx boxes (and thusly obtain SSL certs, intercept communications, etc..) imagine how much access they'd have.

Then they would definitely advertise it by attacking the company so that the whole world would know about their secret backdoor. Very smart, indeed!

Just thinking about it would have a chilling effect which to the authorities may be better than actual access.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by chupasaurus »

aaron695 wrote: post #54

If they own copyright.... Which isn't crazy... Then the licenseing Igor put on it is null and void I assume, so everyone's instance would become illegal upon that court decision?

In Russia - yes, but I think it could be appealed in other countries.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by kiney »

auiya wrote: post #32
ivan4th wrote: post #26

I see it this way (being a Russian): it's not a copyright claim issue, but rather a hostage situation with bandits involved (a.k.a Russian authorities), and what they want is ransom so that top #1-2 nginx contributors don't go to jail for some 10 years.

It feels like an intelligence shakedown. Nginx has a rather large install base. FSB would love to have an entry point in it I'm sure, or maybe they previously had one and are trying to gain it back?

nginx is open source. I tend to use the distribution provided packages which in case of debian are reproducible builds.

(yeah, i know there's a pro version of nginx. never used it)

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