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Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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I'll take a 90% efficiency gain any day. If they can drive I-70 from SF to NYC with no human, or the 10 from Florida to California, that seems like a win, even if the person has to drive in the city. Warehousing will just get shifted around to work with where the trucks can safely drive.

I'll take a 90% efficiency gain any day. If you need a safety driver 100% of the time, the net gain in efficiency is 0%. Edit: There's no comment in the article about there being period with no safety driver.

we still won't allow trains to operate without onboard supervision and they should much easier to automate

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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In 1995 having a domestic phone call, placed on a wired line, drop due to line issues was effectively inconceivable -- it simply would never happen. In 2015 we were in a time when it happened all the time, people simply accepted that voip was often unreliable. In 2019 the idea of a vehicle around you simply stopping because its driver doesn't know how to handle a situation is extremely rare. I suspect that by 2039 it…

Is that actually true? My parents had phones around then and they've always had this habit where they say "Hello! HELLO!" At the shortest momentary pause in the conversation.

No, we had calls drop often enough when I was a kid. But we didn't live in a big city, and it wasn't surprising to us when it happened.

It happened about as often as it happens to me with a cellphone when neither party is moving between towers and has decent coverage.

We expect cell drops because of a technology constraint, even in big cities. Likewise, I think the parent poster is right that we'll expect it more once it starts happening more.

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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For better or worse, millions of truck drivers are going to be displaced. Just like the way robots replaced manufacturing jobs. The best plan is to prepare, like Yang and others are saying: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/trucking-czar/ So we can soften the blow.

Everyone is crying doom and gloom but I see a mostly seamless transition.

The more cargo management responsibilities a driver has the later they will get automated. These are also the most senior and well paid drivers. Truck drivers who will be replaced first are going to be the steering wheel holders that drag a dry van from loading dock to loading dock. These are also the most junior and poorly paid drivers.

As automation takes over we'll have fewer people taking entry level trucking jobs (because the jobs won't exist or the pay will be too low) and the industry will automate the harder jobs as the supply of experienced enough drivers slowly drives up and pushed the cost of a driver for those jobs high enough to be worth automating.

I'm sure some people will lose their jobs but I doubt we'll see millions of unemployed truckers and the value of a CDL tank.

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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I'll take a 90% efficiency gain any day. If you need a safety driver 100% of the time, the net gain in efficiency is 0%. Edit: There's no comment in the article about there being period with no safety driver.

we still won't allow trains to operate without onboard supervision and they should much easier to automate

It doesnt help that the FRA is pretty awful and stuck in the 1880s.

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

#145

For better or worse, millions of truck drivers are going to be displaced. Just like the way robots replaced manufacturing jobs. The best plan is to prepare, like Yang and others are saying: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/trucking-czar/ So we can soften the blow.

It will also have ripples. What about all the small truck stops and diners that will slowly have less and less customers. These long haul runs will be pretty easy to automate away with automated refueling stations. All metro or major warehouse areas will have depots where the automated trips start/end and people will handle the last 5% of more difficult local driving and delivery.

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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I rather wish we could use trains more.

Same here. All this tech is cool and all, but trains would remove some of the variables.

Maybe technology could help us all buying more locally sourced butter? :)

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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Shortage of a certain type of labor is just an indicator that it doesn’t pay enough. I’ve also got a shortage of Tesla in my garage.

it is also an indication of a highly regulated industry which disqualifies a lot of would be workers for better or worse. There are many issues which prevent hiring, ranging from certain felonies on your record, if there are outstanding warrants, and that a CDL comes with drug and alcohol testing. This is on top of the obvious issues with your driving history. While there is this big push to legalize drugs like marij…

No. I was a truck driver for almost a year.

The job pays like shit. You have to pay $2-5k for classes to get a CDL or get locked in with a company that trains you and you pay back at their variable rates of interest... oh and they "lose payments" often along with charging you high late fees.

They take anyone with a heartbeat. It's the ultimate form of equality. If you're dumb enough or desperate enough, they'll take you no matter your gender, race or self identifying whatever.

The job pays like crap, you're treated like crap and your body goes to shit real fast.

There are regulations, and most of them are pro-trucker, aimed to protect them from abuse by the company. Problem is, a majority of voters have this weird and incredibly stupid fantasy that trucker life equals a cowboy life. Thus, company lobbyists are able to easily manipulate the narrative to the media, public and Congress. Making sure truckers don't get a voice or have a leg to stand on. Most truckers aren't the brightest bulbs in the shed. I had to do it out of desperation from a spat of unemployment. I had a plan and a way out, unlike most of them. What really sucks, most truckers are really good people. They do the job in hopes of putting their families in a better situation. But because the companies run them down and they only get 3-5 days a month of home time, nothing works out as expected. A lot get divorced in their first year or so. Argue? Oh, what's that, there's no loads coming out of butt fuck nowhere Wyoming. Looks like you're stuck there for the week. Btw, you are paid based on miles driven when you have a load. Thus, in that situation, I didn't get a paycheck for the week.

And it's one of those jobs that people need to stay in their lane about. If you were never one, you actually don't know the shit they go through.

So no, it needs more regulation. The kind of regulations that puts a noose around the company's necks.

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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Amazing! Though, you have to wonder, would it be better if people just got their butter from local producers... This, of course, goes with any sort of food. Seems trucking has helped centralize farming which, from a risk perspective, is not a good thing.

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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“the truck drove mostly autonomously.” That last 10% is going to be a lot of work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-ninety_rule

I'll take a 90% efficiency gain any day. If they can drive I-70 from SF to NYC with no human, or the 10 from Florida to California, that seems like a win, even if the person has to drive in the city. Warehousing will just get shifted around to work with where the trucks can safely drive.

The problem is that you can't plan the remaining 10%. Perhaps it's every 10 miles you have to have the safety driver take over. That makes it effectively useless.

Re: Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days

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I'll take a 90% efficiency gain any day. If you need a safety driver 100% of the time, the net gain in efficiency is 0%. Edit: There's no comment in the article about there being period with no safety driver.

If the truck still requires a human for some tasks (intra-city, fuelling, etc.) but can be rated to legally drive itself for most of the trip, then the human could sleep / eat / etc. during those times they're not required. This would presumably let them avoid minimum stationary rest times etc. since they could get a full rest of sleep while the truck drives itself (on sufficiently long journeys). For owner-operators…

"most of the trip"

So if I get woken up every 10 miles, am I really meeting the rest requirements?

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