ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance

Post by mancerayder » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 12:05 AM UTC

drdeca wrote: post #56

pacala wrote: post #50

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OTOH, Google and Facebook, with annual incomes larger than the GDP of a medium European country, can log everyone’s every breath, on the internet and, more recently, in real life, with impunity. I just can’t wrap my head how the municipal police doing it is “nightmarish authoritarianism”, but big adtech, de facto way more powerful, gets a cursory pass.

Google et al don’t arrest people or hold them in jail, so that is one dimension in which they are less able to pose a threat. That doesn’t mean that they don’t pose a threat though.

Post by FPGAhacker » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 12:21 AM UTC

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That's super interesting. Those are international departure airports. I wonder if what they're doing is sniffing for phone numbers of interest showing up in the international terminal indicating a 'person of interest' is trying to leave or arrive. I assume people trying to leave or enter the country without permission might have false ID and a false name on their ticket but they probably don't think about changing th…

Or the reverse. Since airports are one of the very few places where you can positively identify a certain person was there at a certain time, you can combine a passenger list with a device list to get some soft matches to previously unlinked devices. Combine that linked metadata with other dragnet metadata, and you're going to learn a lot.

Post by CobrastanJorji » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 12:41 AM UTC

chaps wrote: post #43

calibas wrote: post #12

Stingray use requires a warrant and every case should be dismissed where one was used without a warrant. I'm sure that's the main reason they want to hide the use of stingrays, they know they're doing something wrong. Police having the ability to spy on everyone with little to no oversight is nightmarish authoritarianism, it's completely against the spirit of American democracy, not to mention in violation of The Con…

As part of some volunteer work I'm doing with Lucy Parsons Labs, I submitted a FOIA request to every single state's largest city, asking for search warrant records that would likely exist on complaints for search warrants, the warrants themselves, or from any audit. About 100 requests in total. After two months, only two cities have sent me their search warrant records. All other states have given me rejections sayin…

Post by codetrotter » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 12:44 AM UTC

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Latin for "Who will guard the guards themselves?".

Alternatively also translated as “Who watches the watchmen?”

Post by LilBytes » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 12:49 AM UTC

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5G is by nature shorter range, which at least makes the surveillance harder to do and more targeted when it happens. But I can't say much for the protocol, having not done much with it.

On the flip side, I think this would make pinpoint the device‘s geo-location much easier.